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New guy here, getting off Klonopin after 15 years. What a waste of years.
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    Default New guy here, getting off Klonopin after 15 years. What a waste of years.

    As my title says, I have been taking Klonopin for 15 years give or take. It started with an insomnia problem, so after trying a few things my Doc at the time gives me 1MG Klonopin to try. Worked well enough, not as much hangover as other meds. Fast forward to now and I'll spare you the sob story of the wasted years etc..., but after a couple "wake up calls" I got my head together enough to say this trainwreck is over. I started the tapering 7 days ago along with the minute dose of Effexor I was taking, half a 75 MG tab a day, (seemed to smooth the edges a little), I've reduced to .75MG of Klonopin. By some standards this is a big decrease but so far it's going as smooth as can be expected. I've done a lot of research lately and it is a bit discerning that it could take 1 to 2 years to feel normal again. But I've felt so disconnected for so long what's a another year or so?
    Ok the rambling introductory speech is over so to the point here. Any advice for dealing with the withdraw other than toughing it out is much apprecciated. The upside to this mess is that I have been on a relatively low dose all this time. The down side is it's been 15 years. Ouch! Thanks.

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    Steve: don't get into a big rush, taper your klonipin slowly. Especially towards the end. All the horror stories you read? Take them with a grain of salt, everyone is different. Tell me what your w/d symptoms are and how much klonipin you have been taking. One thing about tapering klonipin is that for a benzo it has a relatively long half life which will help you in the end. As far as feeling normal? What is normal? You've been taking them for so long that at this point, you will know and see some clarity in your thought processes, etc. Basically, though, take it slow and steady, that's what wins the race with a benzo. Keep posting how you are doing.

    Peace,

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    iloerose, thanks for the reply. The worst symptoms are headaches and stomach cramps. The "electric jolt" feelings are tolerable, but the overall feeling of being super tired yet on the inside I feel speedy/jittery is annoying as Hell. As far as the tiredness goes, I haven't ben a ball of fire anyway the past few years. But overall, it's the disoriented feeling, like I'm on a one second delay with everthing going on around me. Again though, the aches and cramps are the worst for me. The weird >>>> going on in my head I can deal with for the most part.
    I'm on .75MG right now, down from 1MG. I think some of this withdraw is the last bit of Effexor I'm squeezing out of my system as well. Getting off that feels the same as when you first start to take it, flu like symptoms, headache etc...
    Now when I talk about feeling "normal", I mean enjoying simple everyday things like playing guitar. I use to play guitar everyday. I would cruise guitar sites like some guys cruise porn. :-) That was indeed one of my wake up calls, the lack of desire to play anymore. In my mind I still played e.g. going over tunes, scale patterns, whatever. But for the past couple years everytime I pick it up there is nothing there. Where as before I was usually hungry to learn new pieces, jam to cd's and stuff. I don't even have the urge to buy new gear which before was a bonafide sickness, but a good sickness. :-)
    Now I did have to leave work today for the first time because my head and stomach were busted bad. I did sit down with my boss and told him what I'm doing and I may have some days where I can't make it to work. I just don't know how this going to play out in the days/weeks/months ahead. I mean I work in a cigar shop so it's not like I'm working with high tech equpment anymore. At the same time anytime somone is not there, that's less coverage for the store. The upside is this is our slow time of year.
    I've considered smoking some pot again to see if that helps, even though I stopped enjoying pot about 30+ years ago. Thanks for the response and any input much appreciated. Take care.

    Steve

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    Steve: Taking big drops like the .25mg. is A BIG DROP. I would not drop further until you start feeling better. As for the headaches, you can try OTC's. The reason that you are having the stomach issues is that you have gabba receptors in your stomach as well as in your brain, that is another reason to go slowly, and I mean no more than .5% or .10% not the .25% that people normally do for opiates. Then drop no more than around 10 days, 7, if you can tolerate that. Totally different game: slow and steady drops win the race with benzos. Every symptom you listed is a symptom of benzo w/d. The "feeling out of it", stomach issues, headache. How long since the drop have you had these issues? Are any of them going away?

    Take care of yourself. My computer has been screwing up, so I'm going to make sure I look for your thread.
    As far as comfort meds: try to do the normal things: drink plenty of water, eat healthy, watch out for anything that may trigger symptoms: alcohol, caffiene sometimes. But do stay the course. It's work and it's slow, but you'll get there in the end.

    Peace,

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    Iloerose, I agree .25mg was a big jump in hindsight, but I'm dealing ok. Actually, I have such a bad cold right now, it's masking any withdrawl symptoms. I was planning on going the course you laid out above. As soon as I even out, I'll do smaller doseage drops. Thanks for hanging in there with me. Nobody eles gets it. Take care.

    Steve

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    Steve, You're welcome. I've been there before and benzos can be tricky and this is where everybody is different applies. You just take it slow and even and you will come out the other end. Sorry to hear that you have a cold! Get better soon!

    Peace,

    Iloerose

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    Telest...
    i get it. i did the same taper you are doing with the same med. i took quite a while, can't remember exactly how long, but i tapered by minute amts and it was ok.
    i've been following your thread so you aren't as alone as you think.
    Rose knows her stuff here.
    slow and easy is the trick.
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    benzos are very very tricky! I detoxed off klonapin three years ago, and I took it too fast. I would just jerk out of the bed some nights. It took me 90 days for the tremors and jerking to go away, but I was also taking 3mg a day. I agree with the posts above, take it as slow as you need to, you don't want to shock your system. Benzo withdrawl can be dangerous if you drop too fast. You can do this! Goodluck
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    Steve,

    Big congrats on taking your steps to "right the ship." While benzos certainly have their medicinal use, they can be quite addictive and can even require a recovery plan. I am very involved with advocacy groups and we have heard so many times, sadly, that too many people are not properly educated on the dangers of taking benzos as prescribed upon initiation of use and become addicted.

    In addition to any medical care that you may need, exercise and a healthy diet will go a long way towards helping your body recuperate. I really recommend that you try to get some exercise!! I promise it will make you feel better.

    Best,
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    You might want to contact the folks that wrote the book "Roadback from Psychiatric Drugs". I too am on Klonopin and HATE it! It scares me to think if we have a world crisis or war in our land that I would not be able to get the drug. I am on 2 1/2 mg right now. I do have anxiety issues. But, I am going to make an appointment with my psych to get off it. I also heard one can cross taper with Valium but under a doctor's guide. I had an unfortunate situation where my female hormones failed to be made in my body when I got poisoned. They were trying bioidentical hormones to try to help and screwed me up so bad I didn't sleep one wink for 9 months which led to a suicidal attempt. I had to go to a psyche ward due to laws. In the ward the psych doctor cold turkeyed me off Klonopin. For 21 days I was having sezuires and all kinds of withdrawal symptoms and the doctor thought I was making it up. Finally I was released so suicidal and down to 90 lbs due to not being able to eat (a Klonopin withdrawal symptom) and diagnosed with Hystrionic Personality disorder. Well when I got home I took 1mg of Klonopin and ALL symptoms stopped!!! I was in bad, bad, bad withdrawal. So it is rough. I was so traumatized by this episode I had to go on 2 mg. Then occassionally another 1/2. I am reading the Roadback book. It looks good but I am so afraid. I am going to see if my psychiatrist will taper me with Valium. Another friend had great success.

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    Quote Originally Posted by iloerose View Post
    Steve: don't get into a big rush, taper your klonipin slowly. Especially towards the end. All the horror stories you read? Take them with a grain of salt, everyone is different. Tell me what your w/d symptoms are and how much klonipin you have been taking. One thing about tapering klonipin is that for a benzo it has a relatively long half life which will help you in the end. As far as feeling normal? What is normal? You've been taking them for so long that at this point, you will know and see some clarity in your thought processes, etc. Basically, though, take it slow and steady, that's what wins the race with a benzo. Keep posting how you are doing.

    Peace,

    Iloerose

    Hi i am taking klonapin 0.50 mg twice a week... i been having anxiety for year now and i went to dcotor and he prescribed me clonezpam , it says to take it every day but i only take it when i needed. its been past two months now how i take it twice or max three times a week , once one dose wares off i get rush feeling, sweating type feet, tingling in musclez, twicting and abnormal feelings, jaw pain and clenching type feelings , then once i take the dose i get back to normal like i have no problems in my body. im worried now that my body is getting the addiction of the medicine, and i dnt want to take it for that long bc in future im thinking abt having a child. what is your advice? i was also prescribed zoloft i am taking that since two weeks but see no change yet 50 mg daily... i want to get back to normal dont want to take benzo's plsss...

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    Start to taper off what you are on now. Put some distance between your doses. Above all talk to your doctor. Benzo's are not great for long term anxiety. There are other natural ways to get rid of anxiety such as meditation, valerian root, serene L-theanine. But benzos are bad news long term.

    Peace,

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    I'm reading everyone's posts in a strange kind of awe. I'm currently dealing with opiate addiction getting ready to detox. I saw this board and started reading. I have a four year old son when I found out I was pregnant with him I quit my Paxil and Klonopin cold turkey. I have a really inattentive shrink. I had no idea about the dangers at all. I had been taking 1 mg Klonopin 3 times a day for 15 years. I just stopped taking them and nothing happened. I mean my panic attacks came back from time to time, but nothing happened. I had no withdrawls my life just went on. Meanwhile these pain pills have made me their b!.ch. when I told my shrink during my every three month maintenance that two moths earlier I dropped my Klonopin ushe about freaked. Then she asked me if she could document my story. I'm back taking Klonopin but there are weeks I take the 3 per day and sometimes I go a week or two without any. Am I abnormal or something. I wish I could let go of the opiates like O did the Klonopin. Anyhow I didn't know how people struggle with benzo 's and you ar wall in my prayers. I do wonder though if they have changed my personality and thinking like I've been reading has happened to others. I'm kinda troubled by this non effecting me thing. Blessings to you all.

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    Margaret: You were extremely lucky with the k-pin. I certainly wouldn't push my luck with it, though. Definitely may have something to do with your body chemistry. You are better off using homeopathic or herbals for anxiety. Meditation, yoga. I'm certainly glad that you didn't have the problems many suffer from benzo w/d. You are certainly and exception here!

    For others on this board:

    NEVER< NEVER-EVER STOP TAKING ANY BENZO DRUG ABRUPTLY. YOU MAY BE LUCKY, BUT THEN AGAIN, QUITTING SUDDENLY CAN KILL YOU. ALWAYS TAPER UNDER A DOCS SUPERVISION.

    Peace,

    Iloerose

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    Dear Iloerose and anybody who has advice,
    I have been taking clonazepam/klonopin for the last almost year off and on. I have G.I. issues and anxiety, so my grandma gets klonopin for restless leg and I would get a few from her from time to time. About 6 months ago I got my own script (Mistake, big time) it was for 1mg a day 2mg if needed. I would go threw the bottle as needed with no real hurry to renew script. Well two months ago I started taking the max 2mg. I decided I was in a little too deep as I have also been tapering off methadone for last year. So I thought that only taking a high dose for a couple months I could stop like before with little or no problem. It has been terrible for the last week I have only got about 20 hrs. of sleep. The worst is the restless legs, headache, and stomach cramps from time to time. I went almost two full days without but couldn't take it anymore so took 1 mg last night, made me feel a lot better but about 10 hrs. later right back to it so took another .5 mg didn't really help. Also, my skin feels to burn from time to time, and my nose will run like water every so often. So my question is does this sound like it could be wd, or do I have a flu bug or something? Does the time line and symptoms fit to make this withdraw? Because the long half life of kpin which I've heard is like 99 hrs. why when taking them does it only help symptoms for few hrs. Appreciate any feedback, sorry so long, have a lot to say plus scared and miserable.
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    Dear Ileorose and anyone with advice,
    I have been taking clonazepam for the past year or so off and on. My grandma used to get a script for restless leg and I would get a few from time to time.About 8 months ago I got a script (what a bad idea). I would just take them as needed and when it really be in a hurry to fill my next script, well two months ago I started to get in a little too deep and take the maximum 2 mg a day. In the past when I would run out of my script I would be ok and feeling fine. So about 10 days ago I decided to stop taking the medication and I cut back to barely .5 every other day. I thought I would be ok as I had in the past. It has been terrible, I have horrible restless leg, a headache that has lasted the whole week, only about 3 to 4 hours of sleep a night, and occasional bad stomach cramps.Also my skin seems to burn from time to time and my nose will run occasionally like a water hose. I went almost two full days without taking anything but last night I just couldn't take it any longer and I took 2 mg. I did feel better and managed to get about 6 hours of sleep, then I woke up as usual with horrible restless leg, accompanied by all other symptoms. So my question is does this sound like I'm withdrawing and does the timeline make sense? So after taking the 2 mg last night why only 6 hours of relief if clonazepam has such a long half life? Please respond,
    Thank you,
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    Barry: First let me say congratulations on deciding to move off the k-pin. The symptoms you experienced this morning really really do sound like benzo w/d. I do not know why taking 2mg of K-pin at night would cause symptoms of w/d in the morning given the half life, only that you do not have k-pin built up in your system as you had before. It could be a depletion in GABA and the effect of of not having the build up in your system, I'm not sure how this works exactly. Benzo's are really difficult to predict as far as w/d and the symptoms you may experience.
    What I would suggest is that you see a doctor. Sudden decreases in k-pin or any benzo can cause life-threatening symptoms such as epileptic seizures, so it's recommended that you ask for an anti-seizure medication. For whatever reason it takes much longer to heal GABA receptors, GABA receptors are also found in the gut (reason for severe stomach cramps). Benzos are not like opiates: you can die from benzo w/d.

    Anytime you decide to quit a benzo it must be tapered very slowly: around 10% cut in dosage every 10-14 days. And you should have an anti-seizure med. Withdrawal symptoms from benzodiazepines take a long time. With benzos: slow and steady wins the race, and I MEAN SLOW. If you are committed and determined you can do this!!! It is a slow process. I hope this helps you.

    Peace,

    Iloerose
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    Steve -- you have my best wishes. I am doing a Klonopin taper myself and it has been challenging. I write about it on another thread.

    But I was wondering how you were doing and where are you in this process? It would be helpful to many to hear your reports.
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    Justitia: Hope all is going as smoothly as possible for you. Haven't had an update in awhile. Great your posting here. Benzos are the hardest of them all to stop.

    Peace,

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    Hello Lloerose, I have been taking anywhere from 0 - 1mg per day at night of clanazopam for the last 10 years. I take it for sleep. When I try to stop taking it I wake up in a panic, heart racing. If I take the 1mg before bed I sleep well and am generally happy all day. There are a couple things I have noticed. If I take 1mg let's say at 7pm one night and don't take any the next night but decided to drink fairly heavily (9-10) drinks I end up blacking out and doing things way out of my character. I don't ever remember this happening before being on this drug. Do you think even though I am waiting 24 hours to drink the clanazopam is still affecting me?

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    Hi. I know the original post is from 2009, and today it's 1/2/2015.


    Back in 2009, Steve wrote and mentioned an "electric shock" feeling he was experiencing (when he posted in 2009)... Well, from reading that he took Effexor at the same time and was
    working on cutting that out, too, I felt I wanted to share that in the past, combined with Abilify, and the "electric shock" feeling (exactly like sudden shock, and in my case I could even "see" light all of a sudden, like a lightning during a storm)...happened a lot when I was on Effexor, but it almost never has happened while taking lorazepam (Ativan) or clonazepam (Klonopin).

    I'm not saying that Klonopin withdrawal doesn't cause that particular side effect.

    I know he mentioned another one that is much more likely with Klonopin in particular, feeling panicky, edgy, jittery, etc. That happens a lot to me, and insomnia too.

    My whole problem started with insomnia, too, if it had not been for that I'd never seen a psychiatrist. However, I feel psychiatric care has not helped me in more than a decade, but rather it has created that thing of going from medicine to medicine, and I feel a need to take better care of myself now. I think it's not written in stone that I have to continue to take medicines forever, when I'm not even ever sure what the
    "problem" with me is anymore. There may not be anything that is big enough of a problem, except the meds being meds and my being on them---medicines are why I go to the psychiatrist .... not a condition, in my mind. It's the having been conditioned to feel I depend on them, by their talk and their prescribing away since the first day.

    Best wishes to all.
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    Thanks so much, Rose. Once I messed up bad with Lorazepam and felt like I was going to have a seizure. How did it take you until you felt okay with just things like Valerian root, homeopathic alternatives/herbal remedies ? If you are still reading, I'd like to please ask you for some more insight, since I definitely want to move on slowly from depending on benzos to trying herbal remedies and meditation/ exercise. The fact is, I bought a lot of supplements before Klonopin. At the time Lorazepam ceased to relieve me of anxiety, but none of them work when you compare them to Klonopin. At the time I'm on 0.5mg ... But if chamomile tea helped me with my symptons one day, I'd consider that as having won the battle! So to speak. For now I just want to make it a prirority to understand that I can't depend on Klono forever.... hard as it is to accept, I have accepted that. It's just that it's going to take a very, very long time to be successful.
    I've had a great deal of shrinks who have been very unhelpful, who do not listen. The only thing they're good at is prescribing what THEY like.

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    Margaret: You were extremely lucky with the k-pin. I certainly wouldn't push my luck with it, though. Definitely may have something to do with your body chemistry. You are better off using homeopathic or herbals for anxiety. Meditation, yoga. I'm certainly glad that you didn't have the problems many suffer from benzo w/d. You are certainly and exception here!

    For others on this board:

    NEVER< NEVER-EVER STOP TAKING ANY BENZO DRUG ABRUPTLY. YOU MAY BE LUCKY, BUT THEN AGAIN, QUITTING SUDDENLY CAN KILL YOU. ALWAYS TAPER UNDER A DOCS SUPERVISION.

    Peace,

    Iloerose

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    Quote Originally Posted by clanazopam View Post
    Hello Lloerose, I have been taking anywhere from 0 - 1mg per day at night of clanazopam for the last 10 years. I take it for sleep. When I try to stop taking it I wake up in a panic, heart racing. If I take the 1mg before bed I sleep well and am generally happy all day. There are a couple things I have noticed. If I take 1mg let's say at 7pm one night and don't take any the next night but decided to drink fairly heavily (9-10) drinks I end up blacking out and doing things way out of my character. I don't ever remember this happening before being on this drug. Do you think even though I am waiting 24 hours to drink the clanazopam is still affecting me?
    Yes, the K-pin is still effecting you. This is classic benzo/alcohol behavior. Do NOT drink while you are taking a benzo. Everyone is effected differently and this is one scary way to learn how benzos and alcohol should not be used together. Stop drinking. I highly recommend you get off this drug. It will take awhile to taper and should be done under a doctor's supervision with an anti-seizure med.

    Sorry I'm slow to reply to this post and I hope you see this, however, this may help others as well.

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    AncientBear: Everyone is different with benzos. It's hard to say how long it will take you to feel normal after you go off benzos everyone's experience is different with these drugs. Some say supplements help: gaba and the like, time is what really works. Walks and exercise, drinking water.

    Your experience with lorazapam is common as it is a short acting benzo and you often find you need more and more to get the same relief. Clonazapam has a longer half life. I'd say, if you want off, you need to taper slowly and with a med for seizures. Yes, it's going to take a long time to come off, but you have to be very determined to do this. I wish you luck with this. As I said, everyone is different and it takes a long time to repair gabba receptors. However, this can be done.

    Peace,

    Iloerose

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    iloerose- hi, I am brand new to the site and had a question about klonopin taper. I had been off for 7 months and started taking it again pretty much daily the last 3 weeks. .25 to .50 daily. I wanna stop again, but after reading some threads, I am scared. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

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    You should be all right. However, just do a taper down, back to .25mg. then half of a .25mg. Three weeks isn't very long. You need to stay away from the klonipin. Benzos are the worst drugs you can possibly use. If you notice any strange sensations, go to your doctor.

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    I'm so glad I found this thread. I have been on clonazepam for 3 years now 0.75 mg a day and I'm so scared what it's doing to my health. I want to go off it but I already have such bad stomach issues that it scares me a lot. I feel like it's almost impossible...I'm also on zoloft 100 mg a day and want to go off that too. I'm sick of being a slave to this medication!!! I'm so angry I was fooled into taking it I definitely believe in the natural approach. I'm so terrified of going off these medications...will it be complete hell? How long will I suffer before I feel normal? Please help

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    If you take your taper slowly: tapering by .10% or .15% every 10-14 days you should be o.k. You should do this under the supervision of your doctor. With benzo's or SSRI's it's best to go slow, slow and steady wins the race with clonazapam or any benzo for that matter. I do not know what mg. pills you have: do you have .50mg? If you do instead of taking 1 and a half pills per day, take 1 and a quarter per day for 10-14 days. Just go slowly. I'd do one med at a time and not both together. Exercise is important. Staying hydrated is important. You may have some w/d symptoms, but then you might not. Everyone is different. We tend to hear the horror stories and the stories of people going off pretty easy on the benzos are few and far between because they just do not post. Stay strong and stay focused. Post here. If you do a decent taper this will not be a complete hell and it will be worth it by way more in the long run.

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    I have been taking K-pins for a couple of years and decided I don't want to take them anymore because they are affecting some aspects of my life. I was taking 2mg per day, but am going on 5th day at about a little more than 1mg. The symptoms that I have been feeling are mainly shaky legs, this will last for about 5 minutes or so and then it will go away and I just can't eat. For the past 5 days I've had to drink chocolate milk, to get the sugar to help with my body and a few almonds. I'm hungry and my stomach is growling, but when I tried to eat I can only take a bite or two and that is it. I talked to my doctor and he prescribed me an anti-depressant/anxiety, but I only took that for the first two days because I don't want to start becoming dependent on that. It's just a real scary time right now and I live alone so I think it's just making matters worse. I am determined to get off of this though so I know it will be a rough ride, but I'm hoping that I can get through this. My doctor told me to taper down every two to three days and I should be off in a two weeks, but I've read different so I'm not sure what to do.

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    Spacetrust: Welcome to the boards. You can get off of the k-pin. First off you dropped a big chunk.
    That was a BIG DROP. With benzos, slow and steady wins that race. You need to drop by no more than around .10% every 7-10 days. What mg. pills do you have? I can help better if I know. Dropping quickly as your doctor suggests could put you at risk for seizure and the w/d symptoms of going off fast are a nightmare beyond words for some of us. Two to three weeks is NOT a realistic timeline. He also needs to give you an anti-seizure medication as you have been on these for quite some time. If you have anxiety while dropping you are going to have to push through that. If you do a slow taper, you can minimize that. And you are right this is scary business. One thing that I did besides freaking out, was drink plenty of water, eat a good diet ( I didn't have that not being able to eat thing), and exercise: I took walks as often as I could.

    What you do need to do is if you can't eat, drink protein shakes: ensure, boost, other protein drinks. Drink LOTS of water and stay hydrated. Bananas helped me. Don't force yourself to eat, but you need to keep nutrients in your body. If you can eat a bite or two every so often, eat smaller meals and stay away from fast food. It's natural that you would feel that way about food. You have gaba receptors in the gut and benzodiazapines effect gaba receptors.

    Whatever you do, do not plan to be off of these in two weeks. That is NOT reasonable. It's scary how much doctors do not know about benzodiazapines and long term use. The thing about this is that you CAN do this.

    Hang Tight, Post,

    Peace,

    Iloerose
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