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    Default Anxiety with no depression

    Hi everyone. I am new to this but glad I found the forum. A little background on me... I'm 22 years old and all my life I've been a worrier. This constant feeling of restless nervousness has really started to affect me negatively during the past 3 years, and progressively gotten worse over that time. It's hard for me to focus on tasks and my motivation has gone down. I've never taken any meds before on a regular basis but have used marijuana and alcohol socially which does seem to help a bit. I also have tried adderral maybe 10 times in my life and I feel great when on it.

    I recently went to my doctor and explained my situation. I truly believe that I have ADHD which causes this constant anxiety. The doctor tells me that since I wasn't diagnosed with ADD as a child, it's my anxiety that's causing my inability to focus. For some reason he prescribes me lexapro ?? I DON'T FEEL DEPRESSED, at all. I've been taking this now for 4 days at only 5mg/ day and the Dr. wants me to up it to 10mg after a week. I don't like this med at all. I get headaches and I can't sleep even from taking just 5mg in the morning. I feel like this is the wrong prescription for me. My question to you people is...

    What is a good anxiety medication that is not also considered an antidepressant? I've heard good things about xanax, valium, and klonipin especially when just taken as needed instead of everyday.

    I really want to stop lexapro because of how it makes me feel, the lowered libido (which I’ve read about), and the terrible withdrawals (also read about). Any suggestions would be appreciated. Thanks
    -Trey.

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    Anxiety does suck! Do you have or have you had panic attacks?........You are early enough in med treatment that you would be able to switch to a different med without much if any problem. The reason that you were given an antideppresant for anxiety is this: Lexapro is in the class of meds called SSRI (selective seretonin reuptake inhibitor). These meds are docotors first choice for the treatment of many problems including anxiety, because they alter the uptake process of seretonin; and seretonin is thought to be at the root of anxiety (and other) problems. Your doctor wants to treat the problem and not just the symptoms which is why you were given an SSRI however, you may also use a benzodiazepine for symptoms. SSRI are very helpfull in treating anxiety however, this does not mean that you should be on it long term (over a year). More on that later if you are interested. A benzodiazepine (ie:xanax, etc) will NOT treat the problem but will ease the symptoms. Because benzo's are addictive doctors will not typicly prescribe them without prescribing meds that treat the anxiety. ( SSRI are meant to prevent the anxiety) Lexapro is a rather potent SSRI and many people have trouble with it myself included. I would recomend that you ask your doctor for a different SSRI med as there are several to choose from (again, I can give more info on that if you like) There are alternatives and more natural treatment approaches as well. Not everyone reacts the same to meds so, I cannot say what will or wont work for you. I can give you some info to help you make an informed decision for your treatment. I am not a doctor but I have been dealing with theese issues for 11 years . Let me know if I can help.....Erin

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    Drugs like xanax,klonopin,valium are benzodiazepines and are really only meant to be used on a very short term basis.They are very addictive and you build tolerances very quickly leading to abuse and addiction.Coming off a benzo addiction is terrible and can even be fatal.There are only two classes of drugs that you can die from the withdrawls and that's alcohol and benzodiazepines.
    Most doctor's nowadays try to avoid these drugs unless the patient has someone die ect and needs something for a couple days.
    Lexapro is a good drug for your type of condition.5-10mgs is a good dose for anxiety and is far below what is ordered for depression.Do yourself a favour and stay away from benzo's unless you need them for a day or two.......Dave

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    Quote Originally Posted by mpvt View Post
    Drugs like xanax,klonopin,valium are benzodiazepines and are really only meant to be used on a very short term basis.They are very addictive and you build tolerances very quickly leading to abuse and addiction.Coming off a benzo addiction is terrible and can even be fatal.There are only two classes of drugs that you can die from the withdrawls and that's alcohol and benzodiazepines.
    Most doctor's nowadays try to avoid these drugs unless the patient has someone die ect and needs something for a couple days.
    Lexapro is a good drug for your type of condition.5-10mgs is a good dose for anxiety and is far below what is ordered for depression.Do yourself a favour and stay away from benzo's unless you need them for a day or two.......Dave
    Hi Dave. After extensive conversations with my wife (ErinKJ) on her new found (slightly psychotic) hobby of taking it on herself to fix us both, and, with her help, subsequent on-line testing of the actual disorders I show symptoms of, it would seem that the originally excessively and extensively tested diagnosis from my grammar school years of ADHD were actually a mix of, according to the latest research, about 80% ADHD but also scoring 98% + for Bipolar. As it was previously called, manic depression runs deep in both sides of my family, including, but not limited to, suicides on both sides of my family including ALL of my grandparents before I was born and all (known) relatives being institutionalized for the greater part of their rather dismal lives.

    My final brain blow-out came one morning late last December, at which time I was run thru the gamut of SSRI’s, all making things much worse, and finally settling on zanax as needed, which has led me to between 6 and 12mg per day just to function and complete routine tasks. Tried quitting cold last week and I spontaneously combusted for two days (but only off one day). Before the last blow-out, .25mg once or twice a week sufficed for 10 years or so, and the rest being regulated by not-so-productive self medications (yep, everything you can think of or have ever heard about; been there, done that) and .2mg Clonidine + sleep meds, usually Amytriptiline, both at bedtime. In January, I had also consequently been found to have had a hypothalamus/ pituitary axis miscommunication crash and started HRT (transdermal). Levels are now close to normal, symptoms are unchanged.

    Erin is finding more research on the latest bipolar meds, all of which make my skin crawl just thinking about it (more foil to chew please!), but the thing that worries me most is your last post on zanax withdrawal. Averaging 8mg/ day (4 bars), what do you think the tapering regimen would be for such a stupid daily intake, and possibly any ideas for a replacement?

    I understand how broad of a post/ question I pose, just wondering if you have any insight into either or both of the aforementioned questions. I feel like sh!t 95% of the day, sleep too long and I’m chewing foil for the rest of the day regardless of meds, sleep to little and I can’t function ‘til noon. All of these symptoms are newly acquired (as previously stated), and for the last 40 years did quite well “using” the mostly manic episodes along with the “hyper” in ADHD to over function my life, running my own business, taking care of family, tons of extremely over-the-top “Tool Time” type projects, yada, yada. I’m now just over a year in this “new-to-me” territory, and cannot for the life of me get this figured out. There are no more specialists left in this state to consult, not that they really care anyway, and something must be done or I fear I will wither to oblivion with the rest of my dysfunctional lineage, which of course would leave Erin more time to play on here, so there actually could be benefits from such a demise LOL. Sorry so long and thanx…T

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    In my opinion the xanax addiction is probably the base of your problems.Xanax is very short acting and is only useful for say a sudden panic attack.Valium is the drug you should get on.Once your on valium you can then begin to wean down.6-12mg of xanax a day is way to much and you risk respitory failure at those toxic levels.Don't ever try and stop cold turkey from any benzodiazepines as you can have seizures and even death.Only alcohol and benzo's come with this cold turkey warning.Here is a site that I strongly suggest you check out.Dr. Ashton is a leading authority on benzodiazepine addiction and recovery.....Good luck....Dave


    http://www.benzo.org.uk/manual/index.htm

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    Thanx for the reply mpvt. I left that stuff out, as this was running way long and didn’t want to bore you with non-pertinents. Here is a post from the ever-encompassing Lexapro Withdrawal thread my wife posts to that was very similar to my condition, tho with no (diagnosed) brain issues until the blow-out.
    https://www.drugs.com/forum/featured...24681-233.html #6962 from jc545.
    As short as I can, here’s the story. Dec. 19, 2006. Bad night and very bad morning. After the last of my overwhelmingly frustrating morning phone calls, I crushed the phone and lost it completely, flexing in rage so strong I bulged a disk in my back the later required an emergency Stage III Laminectomy at L4/L5. I got in my truck and sped away from the house in what I later discovered was my first panic attack. The morning was spent in an opiate and alcohol induced slobber fest, before being rescued by Erin, as she found me lying on the floor half dressed with only one shoe (found) on the wrong foot, covered in my own urine (not my usual look, to say the least) and the house in all but destroyed. Another trip to the ER, and I’m diagnosed with severe anxiety accompanied by panic attack disorder. That was the first of seven panic attacks in four months requiring hospitalization, 5 times accompanied by the newly acquired cluster migraines, the combo of which requiring, thus far, from 11 to 19 hours in the ER on IV’s of every color (Toradol, Morphine, Dilaudid(sp?), Methidone, Valium drip, etc.) usually simultaniously, to “regroup” before release. I had never had ANY of these symptoms before, not even a migraine or even the hand tremors.

    I was put on Lorazepam the first time, which actually induced a second attack, at which time I was found to be hyper-sensitive to that particular benzo. Over the next four months I was tried on every SSRI/ SNRI there is (7 or 8 total, anywhere from 2 days to 30, all making my problem worse) +/- valium, which did nothing or made my condition worse, depending on the day and the combo. Finally ended with zanax alone at .5 as needed, HRT gels daily (afore-mentioned post), and have to carry at all times Imitrex pills and injections which are still used about 6 to 8 times a month, along with a host of pain/ anti-inflammatories for my back which I’m all but off of. That is where I still reside, tho the dose went from .5 to 1.0 to 2.0mg as needed increased over a 4 month span, taken about every 3.5 hours (zanax’s short half life), leading to my current and most preposterous dose.

    Without it, I’m (again) chewing foil, blurred vision, bad shakes, can’t sleep, racing thoughts, etc. With it, I’m controlled to an extent, but have much less energy and might even fall asleep driving or whatever, have to force myself to go to work, and semi-agoraphobic. Yep; Catch 22… Have had constant blood work over the year, CT’s, MRI’s, therapists, all showing normal activity (for me). No MD, DOM, neurosurgeon, psychiatrist, psychologist, shaman, voodoo doctor or even the talking Australian lizard dude that sells insurance on TV has a clue what “popped” in my brain that day, nor does anyone have a clue what to really do, or even care. Thru this entire gamut of newly acquired medical issues, nothing but zanax worked without making things worse, and it only covers a portion of symptoms, with nothing for the underlying cause. I’m clueless, but slowly dying off. Haven’t been to the gym in months, struggle to work EVERY DAY, and really don’t even know who I am anymore, tho I have a much greater insight now into my families history (or actually symptoms of demise). The only symptom I’ve ever had until then that was noticeably hereditary was the “hyper” from whatever, and tinnitus. Now I am, in short, my mother (oh God, just kill me ;-).

    Point being, it wasn’t the zanax. That was an end result of lack of education in this arena, but now I’m apparently in trouble there also. Recent studies found by Erin and several tests have led me to the conclusion that I wasn’t, in fact, skipped over with the dismally hereditary brain farts that run rampant in my genes (including bipolar, but not yet schizophrenic and can’t be suicidal, as per religious aspects). The ADD/ ADHD was a given, basically since birth, but no complaints until now do to the intensely exploitable accompanying drive and IQ bennies. But something did happen that day to put me here. Just don’t have a clue what it was. I suppose this is a thread all it’s own, so now I’m a hijacker too. Go figure :-) Thanx bud…T

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    Greetings:

    Your wife Erin tipped me to your posts. Apparently we enjoy some of the same over-the-deep end activities.

    I've learned to cope over the years, using many of the same methods as you, most likely. A lot of adrenaline type activities, time in the gym, fast cars and Harleys, and a lot of rumbling in the nightclubs and stuff like that.

    I've never been what I'd call "socially normal", but do have a few real friendships, but they took years to develop when I became an adult. I don't think that's normal, but the friends I do have to this day are the real thing. They all saw me at my best and my worst, and I can pick up the phone and it's like yesterday, even though they live 500 miles away.

    This anxiety thing is new to me and came about only because I've pursued it. I've always known my temperment was not acceptable, but I carried on the best I could, as you probably have. I just didn't have a name to put to my activities. I always thought of anxiety as being afraid of stuff. For me anxiety is a smoldering agitation, and restlessness, just under the surface. Up till lately I've just learned to function with it, except for the occasional blow-ups. Sounds like your's was a hell of a doozy! I'm aging now and I'm willing to try anything, cuz hospitals and jails are not fun, and not to mention what it does to the family.

    I've learned that the medication route can be risky. I've used Zoloft and Lexapro and Xanax. My best results have been Xanax, but it's a two-edged sword kind of like you describe. Yeah it works, but the tolerance builds up, and then I wonder is this the best I can do forever? The Lexapro is hard to tell if it helps or not. I just kinda felt dead inside and tired a lot, so I've been backing down on the Lexapro, and replacing it with Xanax, and it's working for me. I also got back in the gym regular, which is the best drug anyway. Hope you can get healed up enough to get back in the gym.

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    Thanx for chiming in bro. Erin had told me she was talking to my long lost twin on here, which was actually what started me reading this forum in the first place. I understand all you say and can relate to the tee, tho I suppose I’m a little less bothered by the ER/ Jail time that occurs from this type of dilemma. It’s just a given, for years and years now, and I really don’t get affected either way. Just part of the deal, but I would like to make it to normal bullpen lock-up now and again instead of the constant solitary confinement stripped down nights (naked in jail just sux, even in a rubber room. It’s ssooo cold! [but I get my own room!!!])

    The gym thing is totally a lack of desire, or moreover, motivation, and not at all related to my back surgery. My recuperation time is rather ridiculous, and I was actually able to walk over 7 miles the next day (yep, it hurt) and do light gym work within weeks of leaving the hospital. Back to work way ahead of schedule, and even finished my 6 months of physical therapy appointments in 7 weeks. Yep, another record (I have several, and even a couple published in the JOM).

    Never really had problems with friends. I have literally hundreds, tho a handful are considered close (everybody wants to play with the monkeys at the zoo you know!!). Never really had any noticeable signs of any inwardly agitational affects from anything I did. The temper thing and everything relative started so early and is, for the most part, so entertaining to others, I don’t care either way. It’s just me. Never hurt anyone close, and never started a battle, so no regrets. Have done crazy stuff all my life, starting at a very young age, with the real deal coming to a head when I moved out of the house after turning 13 and spent the next four years (not including jail time) hitching three laps around the US, and five to Texas. With that came all the self medding you can think of, starting at age nine, but never once felt like I had Mercury cursing thru my veins all the time like I do now. This is new. This is uncontrollable. THIS SUX!!!!!!!!!!

    Anyway, I’m ready to try some of the stuff Erin has come up with and would like to start the zanax taper ASAP, but I must show a marked and massive improvement in the “whatever” condition I’m in before even thinking about coming off zanies. When that time comes, I really have know idea how to wean from such an excessive dose, but I’m sure I will find good info from the folks on here and the corresponding links they provide. Dave’s link looked good, but having tried Valium with no effects at all (since my blow-out in Dec.), and weaning over 6 months kinda sux. Until now, any diazepam or full benzo knocked me silly (and I liked it). Now they’re just breath mints. Price we pay, yes?? I’ll give it a try anyway, as dying right now isn’t an option (to much stuff to get done, and my customers would kill me ;-)

    Again, thanx for the reply and be safe bro. We’ll get thru this, one way or another. Be cool bud, and Happy New Year (we hope)…T

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    how dangerous/harmful would it be to mix xanax with lexapro, valium with lexapro, or klonopin with lexepro? or course on an as needed basis only. would the combinations be beneficial?

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    I have anxiety problems as well and my doctor insisted I must be depressed. I have no depression symptoms either. He put me on lexapro as well and it didn't help me at all. I finally went to another doctor and I'm taking Fluoxetine 20mg (prozac) and it works great for me. Of course I am female and 47 and may be going thru some pre menopausal symptoms so my situation may be different from yours, but I am NOT depressed. Hope this helps. They sometimes make you feel like you are crazy but you are not the only one out there with anxiety problems.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trey191 View Post
    how dangerous/harmful would it be to mix xanax with lexapro, valium with lexapro, or klonopin with lexepro? or course on an as needed basis only. would the combinations be beneficial?
    GP's/ MD's prescribe that combo offen. Zanax is active 4 to 6 hours, valium, believe it or not, for 40 hours (systemic). If you start with valium and it works, it's a bit safer, tho the half life thing just sounds too bizarre. I'd say .25mg zannies are better and safer, tho if it becomes an everyday or multi-dose thing, try valium anyway. If you use then to sleep you'll get phsycologically addicted. If you keep upping the dose it will become physical. Just watch out for side effects, and remember, Lexapro sux!!!! Good luck bud...T

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    Default Woops...

    That was me (Tony) on the reply, Trey. Didn't notice Erin was already logged on. Sorry...

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    I am convinced your doctor will not prescribe you Xanax or valium because of your age and health, however ask the doctor for (klonopin or Ativan) and he/she might be willing to treat your anxiety.

    I take klonopin 1mg and it eases my mood and prevents anxiety/panic attacks. I am prescribed to take it as a PRN (meaning as needed) Generally most astute and conscientious psychiatrists or doctors are reluctant to
    prescribe Benzo's to their patient. If you cannot gain his approval then continue seeking out older distinquished doctors as they are more attentive
    and willing to assist their patients. Young doctors are normally ego-centric and play hard ball.

    I met a distinquished psychiatrist and in our first appointment, He gracefully
    made me feel at ease, and opened our conversation by asking me, ("What works for you?) I was delighted and honestly told him that I found (Ativan) is effective in keeping my depression and mood swings stable. He agreed,

    Seek out older distinquished psychiatrists, for they understand the behaviors and disposition of their clients more perfectly. I would like to see the chemists and doctors design a pill that is partly Ativan with a 2 mg of opiate.
    There they can treat anxiety and depression with one pill. I think this medicine will help many people recover from depression with a mild euphoric
    lift. My favorite drug is a vintage bottle of wine, I believe God created wine for man to enjoy from their labours. Wine is a pure spiritual covenant with our Lord Jesus Christ. I have never met a doctor who prescribed an ocassional glass of wine to heal the heart,soul and the body. Good luck

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