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    I have been on percocet for about a year. I have been taking anywhere from 1-3 percocets as need for chronic pain from many autoimmune diseases--including trigeminal neuralgia and neuropathy along with lupus.
    Lately I have been taking two to three a day.
    I was wondering how to taper off of this medication. Can anyone give me some advice. Thank you, PTL

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    2-3 percocets a day isn't a high dose. You're best bet is to ask your doctor. People taking oxycotins (same active ingrediants--just time released) are taking a lot more oxycodone than you are. But then they do get addicted. Even a few percocets a day can cause a dependence--probably more mental than physical.

    I would say your choices are:

    Cold turkey--have you tried it? You could always go to Narcotics Anonymous (NA) meetings for emotional support.

    Reduction--every few days cut your intake by half a pill.

    The Immodium cure. A little known fact about Immodium (loperamide, a derivative of demerol) is it relieves opiate withdrawal symptoms--all the while producing absolutely no "high." I learned this from the manufacturer's literature about the drug when it first came out. I tried it. It worked! I had a eight year codeine/pain pills habit. I was up to 40-50 Tykenol 3s a day, or 15-20 percocets. I found about 25 Immodium tablets completely relieved the withdrawal symptoms without producing any other effects. I found dosing twice a day was all I needed. I then tapered down from there and got off all the pills. Constipation wasn't a problem since my body was used to large doses of narcotics anyway. And with Immodium you don't need a script.

    Prescription meds--Buprenophine and clonidine are used to detox people from narcotics.

    Good luck

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    Thanks Herman, can you tell me what kind of Immodium you are talking about?? Is it the one used to treat the runs?? Can you explain to me how much is supposed to be taken and when?? I would really appreciate any info you can give to me.
    Thanks, PTL

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    what cdo you mean when you say.,immodium? is that the medicine in the pharmacy for diarreah? immodium ad? is thatt what your talking about?[?]

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    I was just about to ask the same thing. Immodium? Thats not just a little known secret, thats like the holy grail of secrets to those suffering with their addiction problems. Byron, if i were you (and i had the time, of course), I would scour these forums for the "help, i am hooked" topics, and spread the word, my man![^] You could help so many people by sharing that little odd piece of knowledge. yes sir

    On a personal note (that may seem to go a little off track, but stay with me here), my aunt who was addicted to oxycontin (and god knows what other pills) opted for the methadone "treatment" to quit her habits. Excuse my language but, that "Treatment" is a bunch of BullSh*t! Now i am sure many of you out there dont agree with me and think that the Meth clinic is the best way to get off the Bad Stuff. (And I am not here to make an arguement. I was just an innocent bystander. But i want to share my thoughts here, because I was the one who had to live with this shell of a person and take care of her everyday). My honest opinion about the Methadone solution? Here we have a bunch of people who are addicted to (whatever) drugs. Finally they decide or agree to find help, either for thier own well-being, or perhaps to de-alienate their family members. So where do they go? a clinic where you can get a free HIGH every single day for as long as you "need to" (which usually lasts around 1-5 years). How convenient is that?
    So, there I will be, trying to be the good niece, sitting on the couch trying to have a normal conversation with her after a treatment, (and I get to see for myself how this methadone sure is making things all better! [V] (For example We will sit there and talk about basically nothing. She will manage to slur out a few words (sometmes i swear she reverts to baby gibberish, because i wont understand a single word out of her mouth), all the while her eyes roll around, and occasionally she even starts to nod off in the middle of a conversation.) And the absolute worst part about all of this is, (when she is coherent) you can actually sense the pride in her voice when she talks about taking that first step, like she really is doing the best thing for herself, on her way to being clean and sober), all the while (by the look of her,) you can just tell, plain as day, that she is high as a kyte and feeling golden, like maybe she just popped a few (but its the methadone this time) ... I just dont get it! Isnt it a fact that methadone is more addictive than >>>>>>? How can that be a treatment? The doctors at the clinic wont even let you STOP taking it if you wanted to, because the withdrawl alone could possibly drive you to madness, depression and maybe even suicide. Oh Man. Byron, alert the media! If what you say is true and Immodium absolutely worked for you and your pill problem, than i think on this community board alone you could save a few people from experiencing their own private hell someday, just by sharing your little recipe. Immodium Cocktail.

    Anyhow, I apologise for the length of this post. [:I] Sometimes i cant help but rant, especially when its a subject that hits close to home. Thanks for reading (this was my first post

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    These people with bumber stickers that say "We are the proud parents of an honor student at the Midvale academy", or whatever other innocent sounding name has been given to the indoctrination center where their child has been sent to be stripped of his individuality and turned into an obedient soul dead conformist member of the US consumer culture. Proud parents. What kind of empty people need to validate themselves through the acheivements of their child? Heres a sticker I'd like to see: "We are the proud parents of a child whose self esteem is sufficient that he doesnt need us promoting his minor scholastic acheivements on the back of our car."
    OR maybe something a little more realistic: "We have a son in public school who hasnt shot any of his classmates yet. But he does sell drugs to your honor student."
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    The by far most OVERLOOKED detoxifier, ESPECIALLY IN THIS FORUM (Because this is about prescription meds and this is a legal root) is Kava Kava. I'm telling you, yesterday I was on the verge of suicide, in back and knee pain, having anxiety attacks left and right with no xanax cuz my ridiculous excuse for a doctor prescribed me less Xanax than my insurance plan allowed for the time period. Lots of circumstantial >>>> made me feel >>>>>>, but I took a ride to the city to see a couple friends who had a bag of Kova Kava powder - dumped a couple scoops of it in a blend with some water, pugged it, and I have NEVER felt better in my whole life (considering my situation) - So if your looking for a generally unaddictive (as long as not abused) cure for pain, anxiety, insomnia, muscle spasms, and countless other issues humans face everyday, look aorund online and order yourself some Kava - it tastes a little gnarly but its WELL WORTH IT (by the way, countries all over the world are making steps to take OTC kava kava off the shelves and turn it into a narcotic - if you try it and like it, purchase a whole truck load of it before the nazi's that run our country take away our last natural substitute for SSRI's and anti anxiety meds

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    good point 420, whenever people can get real help from something natural the government can't make all that cash$$$$ so they control it or ban it kava kava you say i'll give it a try thanks and try not to eat anymore death caps! peace and thanks for the imodium tip i have had ibs for years but did not know about the possible detox qualities it had i've always reduced my doses but i still have withdraw symtoms from benzos i took ativan for ten years and my insurance maxed out so the doctor does not treat m due to non payment of bills the usa has one of the worst systems on the planet today i got a script for depakote and do not know if i can take it i'm terrified anyone out there have a story please share thanks

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    I would like to point out that just as all drugs can cause side effects and they can be totally different for one person than they are for another, so can the drugs some people take to help with withdrawal symptoms.

    No one should ever go off their drugs, except in the case of a medical emergency, without first consulting with the prescribing physician. There are some drugs that can cause serious withdrawal side effects and while many of those drugs are well know to cause this, many are not. There are very definite ways to come off these types of medicines, that can help make symptoms of withdrawal less severe or eliminate them altogether.

    There may be others ways and other remedies to try when coming off such drugs, but it would be foolish not to first consult with your doctor for the recommended process to come off the medicine you are taking. Traditionally, reducing the dosage over an extended period of time is how this is done, but you need to have the specific instructions about just how much and when to reduce that medication.

    Anyone is certainly welcome to talk to others who have found remedies that have worked for someone else and they very well may work for them as well. But remember, there are other factors that can enter into these remedies such as other medicines that person may be on and possible drug interactions that remedy may have with other drugs. In the end, the decision and the risk you choose to take is yours.

    What may seem to work for someone else, may not work for you, or may be dangerous for you. You can choose to take any advise you wish to, but I would first want to know what the recommended procedure was from my doctor and I would want to be under my doctors supervision while coming off the medicaiton.

    The worst thing you can probably do is to go cold turkey off your medicine. That carries every possible risk of severe withdrawal symptoms, that will not usually kill you, but can make you feel like you are going to die in the process. Why anyone who didn't have to, would put themselves through that is beyond me.

    Casey

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    I am 19 and live with my parents.
    5 years ago I developed 2 compression fractures in my spine at L2 and T7. I was on high doses of Oxy Contin, Methadone, Fentanyl, and Dilaudid for 4 years while I was in High School. I graduated with a 4.0 GPA.
    A year ago my doctors put me in detox at Las Encinas for 2 week. It was hell. I was in so much pain after the detox. 6 months later my Doctors put me on Subutex. I didnt like Subutex, it made me sick, and I lost 20 lbs. It also gave me insomnia, and the pain was still in a lot of pain.
    3 weeks ago I was with my parents in Las Vegas and I broke my arm.
    My main doctor took me of Subutex and put me on Methadone 5 mg 2 x day
    and Percocet 10/325. Due to the Methadone the opiod receptors are blocked and the Percocet does not help. I also tried 5 tabs of Hydrocodone 10/325 that I cold water extracted. I also didn't work.
    Should I continue the Methadone and stop the Percocet? or stop the Methadone and take Percocept or Hydrocodone? I am having trouble sleeping so I need the pills to help me sleep.

    I am also on Neurontin, Ativan, Soma, and Benadryl.

    Thanks

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    To astrogeek, where are you from. I'm from NY. I have scoliosis on top of a spinal injury from a trampoline accident, yet I am treated like an addict trying to get a free high. It is a common known fact in my town that many people in legitimate pain cannot obtain prescriptions narcotic painkillers. I have no history of any substance abuse. I suffer almost daily from severe pain in the pit of my spine, to the point where i cant sleep. I have no intention of abusing any medicine, and need to find a doctor that will treat me like a person. I am only 22 and that is why I think the doctors stereotype me. I see that you sustained your injuries in highschool also. You are lucky to have a doctor that takes you seriously.
    Do you have any suggestions as to a doctor I might go see???

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    I just wrote about half a page of info for
    Crony419
    but I hit post reply and forgot to type in my username and password.
    All the stuff I wrote is gone. I am tired and I have a broken right arm.

    Crony419, PM me and I'll get you the info.

    Sorry

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    quote:Originally posted by PTL

    I have been on percocet for about a year. I have been taking anywhere from 1-3 percocets as need for chronic pain from many autoimmune diseases--including trigeminal neuralgia and neuropathy along with lupus.
    Lately I have been taking two to three a day.
    I was wondering how to taper off of this medication. Can anyone give me some advice. Thank you, PTL
    kevin jourdain

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    Hello,
    Sorry for not getting a chance to post ealier. My arm is much better now. I had the surgery to remove the pins 2 weeks ago.
    The pain was really bad, so I started to take more Percs 10/325. I ended up on way more that I expected. I was taking 2 every 6 hours. So that was a total of about 6-8 a day. The total dose of Oxycodone a day was about 120 mg. Now I need to stop.
    The last week I cut down to 4 a day. Now I am running low, so I need to stop.

    I am also taking Methadone 5 mg 2x day. Today I took 10mg in the morrning and 5 mg in the evening.

    Is this a good dose to keep off withdawal.

    I am also taking Benadryl, Ativan, and if needed Soma. I also have clonodine if needed.

    Thanks,
    Adam

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    On a scale of 1-10 the imodium cure is a 1,000,000!!!! It really works!! What an absoute lifesaver....literally. I thought I'd never get off of pain pills due to the acute withdrawal. I could never go "through" it. A day or two at the most and I was ready to do some EXTREMELY out of character things to stop it whatever the cost. I've been in pain mgmt since 97. I have quite literally taken everything on the market for chronic back pain and a pinched sciatic nerve. Started with percocet, and graduated to liquid morphine with everything else inbetween. I was up to: 2)100 ugh(microgram per hour) Duragesic(fentanyl) patches, 3 80 mg oxycontins(these are pills straight from hell, and want nothing more than to send you back while masking it's progression with euphoria), 12-20 10mg perccets, 6 actiq (also fentanyl) lollipops, yes lollipops, and 1200mg of avinza (morphine sulfate same as ms contin) PER DAY!!! I was told by an orthopedic specialist at Johns Hopkins that what I was taking at one time was enough to kill an adult within 30 minutes via resperatory arrest. I was pretty much married to pain killers with no relief of my pain, and nothing stronger to go to. The DEA actually seized my file from the doc's office. NO SH!T I went to a rehab to try and lower my tolerance by my doctors suggestion. The Blup. shot among other meds didn't touch the withdrawal, as you could imagine I left. I then read somewhere or heard someone say, come on did you look at what I was taking??, of course I can't remember, about the imodiums second nature. With nowhere else to turn I tried it. 25 pills and I felt 80% normal without other narcotics. What an absolute feeling of hope. Words alone can't describe the relief of knowing I can get off without withdrawal. All of my meds were prescribed for me and I took no illegal drugs anytime. Day 1 was a little rough but definately tolerable. Day two was better and so on. I'm now on day 5 and have no desire for my little magic bag (my personal pharmacy) of pills. To anyone who is a skeptic....IT WORKS!!!! pass it on....

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    first lemme start by sayin that i dunno ne thing about drugz. i've never tried ne thing in my life, besidez like tylenol...but my ex-boyfriend did stuff. he told me he stopped the whole time we were togetha but i recently found out it waz all a lie. now i'm worried b/c i'm pregnant. i don't think he'z the father but there'z still that slim chance that he could be, n if 4 sum reazon he iz, i wanna kno that my baby iz goin 2 b ok. apparently my ex waz n still iz addicted 2 oxycotonz. i don't even kno what they r or even how 2 spell it, but i need sum information about this. thank u...

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    To AUDIOPRO:
    I know exactly what you went thru, because I was there myself. Man ACTIQ is just the hardest stuff you could get on. I was addicted after the 3rd time I finished one. After a while I was taking 5 x 800 mcg Actiq a day, and sometimes at night I would take 2 at a time. They were so effective in getting rid of the constant sharp stabbing pain from the pinch nerve caused by 2 compression fractures in my lower back. I would get withdrawal symptoms if I didn't get the Actiq on time, even though I was taking Methadone and Oxy Contin. Detox was the worst 2 weeks of my life. I had WD symtoms for the first 4 days, but after that I was okay. The pain was what I could not deal with. After essentially being NUMB from narcotics for 4 years, when the pain got bad I had no clue how to deal, except taking pills.
    Now after 2 years, I am only on 10 mg of Methadone, 400 mg of Nuerontin, and 1 mg of Ativan a day, but recently I broke my arm so I now have Percocept that I take when the pain is real bad.

    There is hope, so if anyone reads this and is in a similar situation.
    DON"T GIIVE UP

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    I am about ready to go through some serious rough withdrawals while trying to get off of Methadone. I am sick of being on it. I have read about a couple people on here using Immodium to help. Could someone please tell me what and how to use the Immodium to help with my withdrawls.

    I am never so miserable as when I am coming off that stuff.....if there is something out there please help me!!! My e-mail is bwalton1@yahoo.com

    Please help......if you know of something besdies Immodium please let me know that also. It is going to be a very long week!!!

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