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    I found getting off Suboxone harder than getting off opiats. I actually took Vicoden to get clean off Suboxone. Take it for what it is. Most opiods are generic and produced in many countries. This "solution" has a patent and is much more expensive.

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    Hi, I am new to this but i just sat here reading threw the threads. I hate to say this but i honestly think there is NO coming off of Suboxone! I have been on it for 4 long years now and have tried a bunch of times and the withdrawals always get the best of me. I have heard however that subutex is a bit easier to come off because of the lack of Naloxone in it. I hope someday real soon someone can come up with a easy detox plan for Sub. I am ready. I was a H user Oxy any opiate we will just say that and i think the withdrawals from sub are 20 x's worse. I have heard of ppl going back to using pills to get off i can't take that route i'm a true addict and will be right back at square one. Well i wish you all trying to get clean the best of luck!
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    look at all the treads about Suboxone. There is alot of info on this web site if you really wanting to to get off it. YOU CAN go to DETOX find the RIGHT Doctor and learn about this medicine. read all the THREADS. on thing in life is we have choices. Good luck to you.

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    Good Luck to all.. I too have my story. Shooting Diluada for close to 2years. I would use any opiate in between percs, vicodin, lortab. Formed an evil habit. last summer if I had to go a day or 2 I was o.k. then it got to where I FELT LIKE ASS I was a disfuctional wreck. In Oct. 2007 I had a heart attack and the hospital gave me Dilauda injections as needed so I wouldn't go through wd till my heart was stablized.. I got so sick didnt realize why (was in denial). Was a little careful when I got home used a taper of percs then very little Suboxin always broke an 8mg 1/2 or 1/4. I thought I was done "NOT" Just had to make sure. Spent a week and a half in the bath tub, chills,fever, vomiting anyhting I swallow, wishing i would just die of course you dont get to sleep through any of this. I wish I would have stuck with tapering. I know now if I use opiates especially IV more than once in a great while I will be sick. I know my body can not go through that again. I WILL DIE. If you have the option to taper dont forget to skip a day then 2. You may still get sick, remember you never have to be sick like that again unless you choose. I wish the best of luck to all! PEACE
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    certainly understand your dilemma but if you are prescribed the hydrocodone, then why are you on the suboxone? They put me on suboxone so that I would stop all the nonsense of trying to find the pain killers. Expensive, jail, etc. I think that if I had a lifetime legitimate Rx for painkillers, I would just take them as prescribed. You would feel normal, even at a lower dose than before. The question is, can you have the painkillers in your house and NOT abuse them? Thats where the real problem lies! If you want off all drugs and want the circle to stop going round and round, then I guess you need to decide if the migranes can be tolerated without an opiate. I know that Imitrex is very very expensive but my sister takes it and it is not an addictive type of drug.

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    Wow, I have been on sub for going on 6 days. I do think it is a miracle drug BUT I hate the way it makes me feel. Very weird, exhausted, just not myself. I planned on coming off of it with in 2 weeks, because my friend just went thru rehab and thats what they gave her and she said it was no problem to come off. in fact she came off 2 days early cuz she hated the way it made her feel too. But my doc wants me on it for "a few months". reading all of this makes me feel like it will probably b longer! But my first Rx says take 1/2 tablet 5x's a day for one week then 4x's a day for one week. They r 8mgs. So, maybe he will wean me off like that, per week. I have been having to take a quarters though. and i'm all confused about how much and all. I'm having to be secretive about the whole thing. No one knows about my addiction or the suboxone treatment! So, I haven't had time to sit and think how many times a day and how to taper. Anyway, just wanted to share my story on the subject, hope to give some hope to someone!
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    Quote Originally Posted by jwomiller View Post
    look at all the treads about Suboxone. There is alot of info on this web site if you really wanting to to get off it. YOU CAN go to DETOX find the RIGHT Doctor and learn about this medicine. read all the THREADS. on thing in life is we have choices. Good luck to you.
    well you find me some useful info that will let me detox and still run my house and take care of 3 kids. You do that and i will be forever in debt to you but if you have no clue what you are talking about then don't go there!!!!!

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    Stop doing it... Easier said then done right?
    I've been struggleing with this addiction for about 5 years... Percs, oxys, methadone, suboxone, coke,.... Anything in that catagory. There really is no simple way of getting off this s#*t. It's like putting on 30 lbs of fat in one year then trying to loose it all in just a week or two.. Not going to happen..
    This is just what I've experienced...
    Taking all of this ******************** will make you depresed... Trust me, I was down, lots of messed up thoughts, but If you stop it, you probably wont be depressed anymore.. So, I would only suggest, don't take anything FOR depressioin.. Most likely you are not depressed.. Get by on as little as possible.. I ended up on suboxone 12mg a day, went down to 2mg in three months time.. It did help, but Know that you're going to feel like ******************** for awhile when you stop taking it.. Ive noticed that once I actually stopped taking these chemicals, yeah, I felt like hell, but my mind was alot sharper, just the rest of my body didnt feel like doing anything. It is getting better day by day, by the way Im on day 6..No DRUGS, I still haven't slept for longer than 15 min. but I think I'm making progress.. I'm trying to avoid sleep meds, cause that would just mean another chemical in my body.. And if you're an addict, you should avoid anything like that.
    Tips that have helped me so far.. Support, cutting out caffiene,sugar,soda,etc.etc. Drinking lots of water, good healthy diet, exercise (these drugs cause muscle fatigue, strenghten your muscles and sweat it out) don't over do it. avoid sleep meds,tylonol pm, cought syrup etc etc(i found this only made my nites worse, plus you should avoid drugs, you addict ), and never give up.. Hopefully I wont be repeating these things in the future..
    Good Luck And Godbless...

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    This goes out to everyone thats on suboxone that wants to get off. And yes Subutex is the same as suboxone. Now it might sound crazy but i was on 16mgs of suboxone a day for 2 years. What i did was lower my dosage down to 1 mg a day and kept it there for 2 weeks. Pay attention from the last day that you take it. On the third day after taking your last dose, you should start to feel withdrawl symptoms. Wait one more day after the first day of the withdrawl symptoms. Take two 10mg methadone tablets. Continue to do that for one week. The day after your last methadone use you will feel tired and maybe wont be able to sleep that good but you will not go through any withdrawl. And yes you can go through withdrawl from taking methadone adn yes methadone has on of the worse withdrawls outta every opioid pill out there, but you have to take it for no less than 2 weeks to feel even the slightest withdrawl symptom. If you follow them directions, than the most withdrawl symptoms you will feel, and this is the most, is that you might not be able to sleep for the first couple days to a week, and have lack of energy for the first day or two. And the no sleep part is just because your body is used to having something to put you to sleep. But, if you do that, than you'll be good to go. I'm 26 yrs old, I've been on opiates for the past 11 yrs, I've been on suboxone for the past 2 yrs, and i just recently got off of it. And i also wouldnt advise anyone to take an opiate while on suboxone just for the fact if you dont into withdrawl, you just wont feel it. SO, it would be pointless to do so. Suboxone has buprenorphine and naloxone. The naloxone is the compound that blocks the bupre. from working inside your body so you cant get high off of it, even though you feel some type of highnesss. Any questions, please ask. I'll answer them the best of my knowledge.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chic_in_the_trees View Post
    Good Luck to all.. I too have my story. Shooting Diluada for close to 2years. I would use any opiate in between percs, vicodin, lortab. Formed an evil habit. last summer if I had to go a day or 2 I was o.k. then it got to where I FELT LIKE ASS I was a disfuctional wreck. In Oct. 2007 I had a heart attack and the hospital gave me Dilauda injections as needed so I wouldn't go through wd till my heart was stablized.. I got so sick didnt realize why (was in denial). Was a little careful when I got home used a taper of percs then very little Suboxin always broke an 8mg 1/2 or 1/4. I thought I was done "NOT" Just had to make sure. Spent a week and a half in the bath tub, chills,fever, vomiting anyhting I swallow, wishing i would just die of course you dont get to sleep through any of this. I wish I would have stuck with tapering. I know now if I use opiates especially IV more than once in a great while I will be sick. I know my body can not go through that again. I WILL DIE. If you have the option to taper dont forget to skip a day then 2. You may still get sick, remember you never have to be sick like that again unless you choose. I wish the best of luck to all! PEACE


    AMEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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    hi, my name is andy, and i've been on suboxone for almost four years...In fact, I was one of the first I know of on it...i can tell you a lot about it, how to stop it and anything and i do mean anything about it in general...if you want please Email me at Nifty59@juno.com...

    Hope I can help,
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    I was addicted to opiates for over 3 years..Finally after almost losing everything I heard about suboxone..I have been on it for almost 11 months..The first day I took was the last day I took an opiate..Which is great I never thought about them or anything got my life on track and life is better than ever..I am perscribed 8mg twice a day..Which I have always only taken 4mg once sometimes twice a day!..I just broke it in half!..Well I went to get mine filled and found out my insurance is no longer covering it so I decided I no longer need them it' been 11 months I should just be able to stop!! Was I ever Wrong! I was totally going through withdrawls..I don't have the money yet for the refill since they charge anywhere from $6 to $8 dollars a pill, I called this morning and was able to buy 2 which is great that will get me through the next couple days then I am going to have to shell out over a 100 bucks for them and it sucks!! I wasn't even able to get up this morning and take my children to school..I was up al night with sore legs my bed was soaked from sweat and it reminded me of withdrawling from opiates and that sucks it took me a minute to say you know what forget this I have to move on I can't continue to shell out this kinda money to stay clean I am slowly going to wean myself off these since I switched doctors in Jan my new doctor wants to treat me for a year on them under his care which is dumb since my year is almost up!! $80 a visit for him $80 for the shrink and $8 bucks a pill times that by two because my husband is also a recovering addict..Since being clean the downside is I am depresed which now I take 60mg of cmybalta for that which hellps somedays and some not! My husband had trouble with sleeping so they gave him trazodone!! What a BIG mistake that was if he runs out of those the withdrawls from those are wiorse than any other withdrawl he is completly out of comission until he gets thtem back in his system..He has started to lower his dose on them to slowly wean himself of them..It's another addiction just like the suboxone..The trazadone is prescibed to help people sleep but it is also an anti depressent, which I think Is why he has the bad withdrawls but the thing is he is also on Cmyblata 60 mg for depression!! So really I know suboxone is a life saver..But is it really!! It is SO hard to understand it's supposed to HELP but it's just as addictive as an opiate!!

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    Cool Hey Banze...

    I had drug addictions and finally after years of playing around with opiates, then pills, then methadone, suboxone... ENOUGH I said. I finally had to lock myself up and QUIT! Yes quit. COLD TURKEY! Worst 16 days of my life!
    If I were you, I would try another doctor or even an addiction specialist. Quit the silly S---! The more you try to taper and try an easy detox, the longer you're going to fight with this.
    Not everybody Can do 'cold turkey' but it IS one way that WILL make you remember what you went through and really dosent take as long as some 'detox'
    'Detox' just drags it out.
    However, if someone is using more than 100 mgs a day ie: 'Oxycontin' 'methadone' they need to REALLY taper to a LOW dose before they decide to quit.
    I no longer believe in methadone (Its one of the HARDEST things to get off of!)
    If you're gonna go the suboxone route.. (may as well use opiate and try to taper yourself)
    I just hope you can do it!
    Good luck!
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    Took suboxone for a yr. 8 mg a day.Now taking subutx way better feel happy again.My Dad passed away 2 yrs. ago,at that time I stopped taking oxy,got on subs. een taking new subutex for a week and now im ack to me.That suboxone is just another addiscting drug.These doc's and pharmacy people they dont know they dont take it so how could they.If youre on suboxone get off now go to subutex youll feel better in 48 hours,no withdrawl no nothing from the switch THATS FROM A USER NOT A DOC OR SALESMAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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    There is no,"Easy," way to detox from opiates, opioids or anything addictive. To look for another drug to take away Suboxone withdrawal seems silly. If you really want to be drug free it requires some physical, mental and emotional discomfort. Suboxone is another addiction. Everybody has different methods of finding a way to put their life in order after addiction has reeked havoc. For some it is cold turkey. For some it is methadone. For you, right now it is Suboxone. Whatever works. If you truly have chronic pain issues and are already taking hydrocodone, it wont be difficult to come off of Suboxone. You are replacing a narcotic with another narcotic. The problem is solved. If the problem is just that you do not want to continue Suboxone then it is solved. If you are not able to take the hydrocodone correctly; (you have not in the past) is it a good idea to continue. Life is not pain free. To learn, grow and develop into loving, caring happy people we can expect some pain. It can dissipate though. Don't give up. Learn to trust your instincts. Learn to trust in something bigger than yourself. Learn to seek and find a state of true health and you will find well being...with and without Suboxone.
    Take care of your body. Pay attention to what you put into it and make sure it is good for you. Be patient and kind to yourself. Get frsh air and exercise. Don't isolate yourself. Look at all of the good things you have. Even in my worst withdrawal after >>>>>>, morphine, oxy and a 5 year methadone addiction and after two brain surgeries for a pineal gland tumor I was able to find a couple of things about myself and the world that I liked. I focus on those thing along with eating well, exercising, fellowship and prayer every single day. You can have the kind of life you want to have. This does not mean I feel wonderful all of the time. Remember none of us are exempt from pain. You know what is best for you and what is right for you. Make a plan and give yourself the effort you so deserve. Best of luck to you.

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    all i can suggest is you guys all get with a doctor. we've been self-medicating and playing doctor for a long time and it's time for us to LISTEN to the professionals. i've been on suboxone for a year, started at 16mg and am now down to 4mg. i'm excited to be off it sometime soon, but i know i need to take my time. screwing this up can equal relapse for some, and i cannot let that happen. i work a 12 step program, and i'd let to recommend anyone struggling with this try a meeting. good luck everyone.

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    Hello, This message is not meant to scare people but SUBOXONE is as bad as methadone when attempting to withdraw. I put on Suboxone for a pill habit in 2003. With many attempts to cut, taper and you name it I could not come off because of the long duration of pain, no sleep and the need to keep my job. Sorry but buprenorphine is no answer for >>>>>>, percs, morphine or any other short acting opiate unless you choose slavery as a way out. Sub is so long acting and shuts down your endorphin system in total unlike the short acting opiates like oxycodone hydrocodone and morphine. The only sane way to get off without months pain is the use of IBOGA ROOT BARK which is not legal in the U.S.A. maybe because it works to stop SUB and Methadone in 14days or less. >>>>>>, oxy and hydro takes only 5 days to come off with Iboga. I flew to Holland for about 3500 Euro done with a holistic healer for 10 days treatment. I was well taken care off, fed comfortable for 10 days and got off. The adverse effects of Iboga are a joke compared to real withdrawal so do not believe
    all the BS about it posted on the internet. Us junkies are big babies you know who you are. If you want the sanest way to detox find someone who can safely administer Iboga root bark
    if your fortunate to find someone. 5 DAYS IS NOT ENOUGH AND YOU MUST BE GIVES AT LEAST 3 booster doses to break the addiction/withdrawal. Only look into this option if you are in good health and can follow the healers instruction or you could have complications. When done right Iboga can break the worst habit but you must want to be off opiates period or you will relapse because you think your strong. BTW the TRIP is nothing compared to the horror and terror Suboxone or Methadone addiction always presents. I will post my full experience at a later date. My clean date 7/10/2008 so there is still a chance before the world president makes this plant illegal. God Speed to you all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Luckytobeoff View Post
    Hello, This message is not meant to scare people but SUBOXONE is as bad as methadone when attempting to withdraw. I put on Suboxone for a pill habit in 2003. With many attempts to cut, taper and you name it I could not come off because of the long duration of pain, no sleep and the need to keep my job. Sorry but buprenorphine is no answer for >>>>>>, percs, morphine or any other short acting opiate unless you choose slavery as a way out. Sub is so long acting and shuts down your endorphin system in total unlike the short acting opiates like oxycodone hydrocodone and morphine. The only sane way to get off without months pain is the use of IBOGA ROOT BARK which is not legal in the U.S.A. maybe because it works to stop SUB and Methadone in 14days or less. >>>>>>, oxy and hydro takes only 5 days to come off with Iboga. I flew to Holland for about 3500 Euro done with a holistic healer for 10 days treatment. I was well taken care off, fed comfortable for 10 days and got off. The adverse effects of Iboga are a joke compared to real withdrawal so do not believe
    all the BS about it posted on the internet. Us junkies are big babies you know who you are. If you want the sanest way to detox find someone who can safely administer Iboga root bark
    if your fortunate to find someone. 5 DAYS IS NOT ENOUGH AND YOU MUST BE GIVES AT LEAST 3 booster doses to break the addiction/withdrawal. Only look into this option if you are in good health and can follow the healers instruction or you could have complications. When done right Iboga can break the worst habit but you must want to be off opiates period or you will relapse because you think your strong. BTW the TRIP is nothing compared to the horror and terror Suboxone or Methadone addiction always presents. I will post my full experience at a later date. My clean date 7/10/2008 so there is still a chance before the world president makes this plant illegal. God Speed to you all.



    Lots of people on this forum have used and come off buprenorphine easily and without incident myself included. Because you didn't use it properly doesn't mean others won't too. I can't believe you are coming on here and telling people that everyone should take an illegal substance and fly to Europe to detox. You have to be kidding me. LOL Please spare the forum space with tales of iboga root bark and your adventures in Europe.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Robert_325 View Post
    Lots of people on this forum have used and come off buprenorphine easily and without incident myself included. Because you didn't use it properly doesn't mean others won't too. I can't believe you are coming on here and telling people that everyone should take an illegal substance and fly to Europe to detox. You have to be kidding me. LOL Please spare the forum space with tales of iboga root bark and your adventures in Europe.

    On this, I concur. I just read the post on the MS women.....hope she sees a qualified MD soon.

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    People here are in pain and will suffer. You say you came of sub without incident? You are a liar and whatever your real motive for being here to allay fears of the Sub appears to be for the AMA quacks, You can discredit my story but the truth is all over the internet with respects to the horrible extended withdrawal from Suboxone when you want to get off. In order for your doc to prescribe this med, takes only an 8hr course to get certified and then can charge whatever he/she pleases to maintain you for a long period.
    Maybe Suboxone works for short term use less than 7 days but you will have incident and paws. You all can choose your own way and see for your selves but the judgements against my "Adventure" proove self a serving motive and attempt to promote Suboxone as a real option for freedom from opiates. I was told the same thing when I was put on at 32mgs per day and stay there untill your ready to come down and off will be no problem. Well 5 years later and many attempts jumping off at 1mg was not happening unless I had 3 months or more to recover and attend NA meetings for it. Most people don't have that time luxury. That was in 2003 at 3 years after Sub trails and approval for which (Reckitt Benckiser is a global force in household, health and personal care, delivering solutions to consumers) Had no experience with long term use as the most of buprenorhine prescribed in temgesic was .5mg. Prior to that no doc worldwide has ever prescibed 32mg of bupenorhine to start, even in tolerant patients. Yeah bup is safe in high doses becasue it is an agonist/antagonist with low respiritory depression and little euphoric properties. It is on the streets now being sold so that should tell you something. They don't tell ther true dependency risk in order to quelch fears about high dose maint. Reckitt is a company and proud of it so the more they can enslave the better. So grab your Lysol and your Sub and clean up. Oh feel free to ban me from this site if you choose. I was only sharing my experience of getting clean without the insanity. Keep dispensing false hope becasue it is just the same as mortaging your life to this drug in time.

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    this is my second time that i am using suboxone as an AID to my treatment of addiction to opiates. the operative and key word there being "aid" in the treatment process. yes, suboxone does block most of the withdrawal effects from most opiates, and sure it does have its side effects as do all medicines. but, if you just take ANY drug and expect it to be a miracle cure, then you are approaching the whole process in an un-successful manner. you need to attend groups, therapy, meditate, whatever, but you just can't expect suboxone, methadone, or subutex to just "abra-ca-da-bra...whoosh!" and magically cure you. just a thought.

    best of luck in all your perspective ventures.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Luckytobeoff View Post
    People here are in pain and will suffer. You say you came of sub without incident? You are a liar and whatever your real motive for being here to allay fears of the Sub appears to be for the AMA quacks, You can discredit my story but the truth is all over the internet with respects to the horrible extended withdrawal from Suboxone when you want to get off. In order for your doc to prescribe this med, takes only an 8hr course to get certified and then can charge whatever he/she pleases to maintain you for a long period.
    Maybe Suboxone works for short term use less than 7 days but you will have incident and paws. You all can choose your own way and see for your selves but the judgements against my "Adventure" proove self a serving motive and attempt to promote Suboxone as a real option for freedom from opiates. I was told the same thing when I was put on at 32mgs per day and stay there untill your ready to come down and off will be no problem. Well 5 years later and many attempts jumping off at 1mg was not happening unless I had 3 months or more to recover and attend NA meetings for it. Most people don't have that time luxury. That was in 2003 at 3 years after Sub trails and approval for which (Reckitt Benckiser is a global force in household, health and personal care, delivering solutions to consumers) Had no experience with long term use as the most of buprenorhine prescribed in temgesic was .5mg. Prior to that no doc worldwide has ever prescibed 32mg of bupenorhine to start, even in tolerant patients. Yeah bup is safe in high doses becasue it is an agonist/antagonist with low respiritory depression and little euphoric properties. It is on the streets now being sold so that should tell you something. They don't tell ther true dependency risk in order to quelch fears about high dose maint. Reckitt is a company and proud of it so the more they can enslave the better. So grab your Lysol and your Sub and clean up. Oh feel free to ban me from this site if you choose. I was only sharing my experience of getting clean without the insanity. Keep dispensing false hope becasue it is just the same as mortaging your life to this drug in time.
    I have to step in here for a bit...... It sounds like you were mistreated as I was on the dosing. My quack of MD put me on 40mg to start and did the same song and dance as your doc. What was different with me was I happen to find this fourm and realize that my dose was Not ness and way too high. Robert helped me wean to an acceptable dose immed (after ten days on 40) and now five weeks later on 3 mg and weaning without incident. I think that this drug is for short term use... NOT yrs. I do believe I will be off of sub in the next two weeks. I do think the doc's needs more then 8 hours training... and yes there are those who just want our money so they attempt to keep you on for way too long. What Robert is doing here is truely without self advantage. I am srry you were so mistreated as I was but this does not mean if use correctly that Sub is not very effective.

    Good luck

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    Quote Originally Posted by sisterwin2 View Post
    I have to step in here for a bit...... It sounds like you were mistreated as I was on the dosing. My quack of MD put me on 40mg to start and did the same song and dance as your doc. What was different with me was I happen to find this fourm and realize that my dose was Not ness and way too high. Robert helped me wean to an acceptable dose immed (after ten days on 40) and now five weeks later on 3 mg and weaning without incident. I think that this drug is for short term use... NOT yrs. I do believe I will be off of sub in the next two weeks. I do think the doc's needs more then 8 hours training... and yes there are those who just want our money so they attempt to keep you on for way too long. What Robert is doing here is truely without self advantage. I am srry you were so mistreated as I was but this does not mean if use correctly that Sub is not very effective.

    Good luck
    Your input is appreciated and really wish you the best getting off by taper. The problem comes later as the bodies entire feed endorphine feedback system has been shut down for long period. Even on .5 mgs of buprenprhine keeps the Kappa mu feedback receptors filled, shut down which staves off the worst of the withdrawals. Meaning sure you will have symptoms but still can sleep. The long half life of the sub after you cut off altogether makes it a long sleepless process where every second is felt with little natural relief or recovery from ones own body. So for someone to say they have gotten off without incident or make it sound like there were no symptoms is misleading. So poster boy with no incident is stretching, avoiding the truth or minimizing it altogether to make his point. I was also not suggesting people import and illegal plant to aid in withdrawal but mearly sharing my experience of an alternative which the FDA, DEA and AMA will not even consider becasue of control issues and the threat to the an entire maint system which has been in place for over 70 years. When people who have been high dose meth go through what I did and are able to walk away with an echo of withdrawal of what they would go through without the alternative poses an extream threat to a system which soley relies on the addiction of people as commodities rather than people. So when suboxone is used as directed you end up in the same dependent state as you were when using the short acting opiate. The DEA refuses doctors the option of a controled morphine taper but allows them to put people on suboxone for long periods after an 8hrs class is BS and a money maker. When you jump at your low dose I hope you do not suffer for a long time and get back to normal quickly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Luckytobeoff View Post
    Your input is appreciated and really wish you the best getting off by taper. The problem comes later as the bodies entire feed endorphine feedback system has been shut down for long period. Even on .5 mgs of buprenprhine keeps the Kappa mu feedback receptors filled, shut down which staves off the worst of the withdrawals. Meaning sure you will have symptoms but still can sleep. The long half life of the sub after you cut off altogether makes it a long sleepless process where every second is felt with little natural relief or recovery from ones own body. So for someone to say they have gotten off without incident or make it sound like there were no symptoms is misleading. So poster boy with no incident is stretching, avoiding the truth or minimizing it altogether to make his point. I was also not suggesting people import and illegal plant to aid in withdrawal but mearly sharing my experience of an alternative which the FDA, DEA and AMA will not even consider becasue of control issues and the threat to the an entire maint system which has been in place for over 70 years. When people who have been high dose meth go through what I did and are able to walk away with an echo of withdrawal of what they would go through without the alternative poses an extream threat to a system which soley relies on the addiction of people as commodities rather than people. So when suboxone is used as directed you end up in the same dependent state as you were when using the short acting opiate. The DEA refuses doctors the option of a controled morphine taper but allows them to put people on suboxone for long periods after an 8hrs class is BS and a money maker. When you jump at your low dose I hope you do not suffer for a long time and get back to normal quickly.

    now maybe because they were hospice patients..... I have assisted many patients at home also,. to wean down using MOS4. It took about two to three weeks pending on the dose they were on. These people were no addicts but dependent as bad as I was. (me being an addit also) They came off without terrible pains, but did go thru a week of sleep deprivitation. So ,,,its not completely illegal. I hear what you saying and believe me, you have my attention. If this does not work. I will look into traveling. I will not be dependent on any drug, esp. Sub at the cost it is now. Right now I have way too many to worry about being left high and dry. I know I can not go ct, I have done it too many times and the fear is just too grand now in my head, GOD HELP ME, but I will do anything I have to do not to go into wd and esp. not cold turkey. I am close to my plan of weanng. I am going to give this a good chance to work for me. I should be total off in about three weeks or so. total being 21/2 months. If I cant do it without going nuts, then I will work on another plan.

    ty for your post.

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    I have gotten off H three times, each time with a habit costing OVER $100/day (admin. IV, sometimes 3-4 g a day! NO GOOD) that had been almost a year in the making. First time, I detoxed cold turkey (I mean, REALLY cold turkey...i took one tylenol pm a day, in a futile attempt at sleep...it was several weeks before I was able to sleep) I was lucky in that I had somewhere to go and be laid up and useless for several weeks (and then have some time to take it easy since by the end I was 90lbs from not having eaten in such a long time and so VERY weak physically). I realize for a lot of people this just isn't an option.
    Second time, same as the first, except I smoked weed which helped A LOT and I also had a little (tiny) bit of methadone to sip on the first few days. The withdrawals didn't end up being that bad except for the first week, and even then, the weed helped immensely so that my w/d's never compared to the first go-around. [In between these two attempts, I had tried a methadone program but had found it to be so counter-productive I ended up using H to get off the methadone!]

    This last time (and i do mean last), i used suboxone. i've been on it for 6 months now. I waited until the w/d's kicked in from the dope, and took 1 8mg, then waited awhile, then another half, etc., until the symptoms seemed manageable. The initial anxiety was quite a surprise. After the first 2-3 days, i only took a sub in the morning when i got up. After the first week or two, i started to wean down and have been gradually doing so ever since. I now take 1/6 of an 8mg pill every morning, and some mornings less than that, just a sliver. I sleep well, I'm regular (though my bf's not....big problem, that, lots of discomfort and the irritability that comes with pain), occasionally feel mild hot flashes. I have had severe anxiety and depression for a long time now (PTSD, actually), which is a major reason for starting in the first place, but haven't found these to get any worse on subs. But reading through these posts, I'm struck by how many people have related having their initial addiction (say, a handful of vic's/day) replaced with pretty massive doses of subs, anxiety meds, trazadone, etc. That's pretty heavy. Is it a matter of doctors cynically thinking we're sort of a "lost cause" or is it motivated by money or what? I don't get mine through a doctor, and pay $2/8mg pill...one pill at this point lasts me almost a week.

    I had wanted to go and try to get a scrip for 2mg subs so that i could break those down and continue weaning down like i have been, in hopes of avoiding anything more than mild w/d's (breaking down those 8mg pills into ever tinier pieces is starting to get difficult), but I'm worried that the doctors will just want to put me on tons of other pills now, or drag me into a maintenance-type situation. I don't even want to be OFFERED other pills (especially the xanax variety), because I don't trust myself not to wind up making excuses for abusing them. Should I just start skipping days with as small a piece of the sub as possible? I REALLY, REALLY want to get off of these, and preferably without the aid of other meds, but i can't afford to be out of commission right now!

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    Ive got a question for all of you...how do you get off Soboxine safetly and w/p major pain/withdrawls?
    I checked myself into detox 2 weeks ago for an addiction to hydrocodone, Lortab, Norco, Vicodin you name it. Orginally I was given hydro for migraines due to a bad car accident I was in 7 years ago where I suffered major head trauma and a broken hip. Over the years I was pretty good about it, then I started using them recreationaly on the weekends with Soma, and Xanax, Valium. Then that turned into an everyday thing, and then for the last year it was a maintanence addiction, for those that dont know what that means, I had to take hydro everyday or I got sick, I never got high on it anymore no matter how much I took, I just had to take it almost like a vitmain daily to feel normal.
    So needless to say about a year of that, having multiple prescrptions, going to urgent care and the ER, lying, the wonderful internet RX sites, spending close to $600 on hydro a month I knew it had to stop. In detox, which SUCKED I was put on Suboxine, 2mg every four hours. At first it worked great, I mean it really worked but now out of detox and stil on it I want off. I dont feel very good on it, Im deppressed, irritable, and just yucky. My Dr wants me on it for months and says I am going to go through withdrawls when I come off, GREAT! whats the point?? Its like he switched one drug for another.
    In the future I still have to use Hydrocodone with Imitrex for my insane migraines, but NOT abuse it, and I know that is all on me. I know I cant take hydro with Suboxine or I will get really sick, right? Lucklily I havent had a migraine lately. But I really want off the Suboxine and was wondering if anyone had any suggestions or could share their story of how they came off the stuff.
    At present I am on Suboxne 2 mg/4times a day, Buspar 15mg/twice a day Soma 350 mg/2 a day and Xanax .10 mg as needed. I really want off it all completly because I still dont feel normal and I read all these things about people coming off the pills and how great they feel and I am frustrated because I still feel like **** and Im sick of depending on pills to alter my mood. So any help/suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Dont get me wrong I think Suboxone is a great thing and it really helped me a lot in detox/through detox but I red up on it and people are on it for years, NO THANK YOU!! So before I get that hooked and dependent on the **** I would like to get myself off and my doctor is no help, either are my friends who tell me wait 18 hrs after my last dose and take Hydro for the withdrawls, HELLO what is the point, dont want to put myself in that cycle. Please help!
    Banze,

    I was reading your posts and replies from 2004, so am curious as to the outcome of getting off of Suboxone. Personally, i have ODd 5 times on opiates (hydro, dilaudid, morphine and demorol), 4 times being put on a respirator, of which 2 times I was brought back from death. Dont know why, but OCs never did anything for me. I have been on Subutex, then Suboxone for almost 5 years. My doctor tells me i am wired different than most addicts, which is exactly what i like to hear. You know, Terminal uniqueness, since i love to think i am different than my fellows. Long story short, he wont help me get off Suboxone. I dont think i can grow anymore spiritually in my program being on suboxone and have felt this way for the past 2 years. my sponsor thinks i should get off, several close friends, so not sure how to do safely. Oh, i have epilepsy as well from years of falling on my head while being intoxicated. i did not think there was anyone who understood what i have been thinking and going through, so finding this group was pretty cool.

    Let me know what y'all's experience has been with detoxing off suboxone.

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    Banze,

    I was reading your posts and replies from 2004, so am curious as to the outcome of getting off of Suboxone. Personally, i have ODd 5 times on opiates (hydro, dilaudid, morphine and demorol), 4 times being put on a respirator, of which 2 times I was brought back from death. Dont know why, but OCs never did anything for me. I have been on Subutex, then Suboxone for almost 5 years. My doctor tells me i am wired different than most addicts, which is exactly what i like to hear. You know, Terminal uniqueness, since i love to think i am different than my fellows. Long story short, he wont help me get off Suboxone. I dont think i can grow anymore spiritually in my program being on suboxone and have felt this way for the past 2 years. my sponsor thinks i should get off, several close friends, so not sure how to do safely. Oh, i have epilepsy as well from years of falling on my head while being intoxicated. i did not think there was anyone who understood what i have been thinking and going through, so finding this group was pretty cool.

    Let me know what y'all's experience has been with detoxing off suboxone.



    I agree with your sponsor. If I were your sponsor I would say the same thing. We help lots of people get off suboxone here every day all with varying amounts of time on it. I did it too.

    We can detox from the suboxone. It simply takes a very slow taper and the taper works. But it has to be slow. That is the key. If you really want to do this and are willing to follow the necessary steps as they say to do it right I will be happy to help. Others here will help too. You decide and if you want to do a taper you can do this without all the w/d horror stories you hear about. I don't care what ANYONE tells you it can be done without pain and suffering if you follow instructions to the letter.

    There are suboxone success stories all over the forum. You need to read them. See for yourself. Then if you are ready we can put a taper plan together for you. Your taper will vary some from others who use suboxone for a short time. But I have worked with people who have used suboxone for years and are now clean. Let us know when you have read enough to be convinced and ready to proceed forward. Good luck.

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    Banze................ I agree. We can do this without a crutch all our lives... at least it is worth a try. I am 51 and drugged since I was early teens. I have had some clean time but not much compared to my age. I was a heavy user and never though I would ever be able to go without opiates,

    I went from using Meth illegally, diludids H and oxys.... lots of it all. I began the sub about 7 weeks ago and now on .125 mg to make the wean totally painless and it basically has been. You will have to be very slow if your like me and hate wd discomforts. Go read lke Rob said but dont let the negative post here and there throw you. IT can be done..... just slowly esp. when you get to the lower doses. The ones that complain did not do it slow enough or expected instant fix and not be an addict any longer... We know we still have to work on staying clean.

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    Hello all. I am new to this forum. I have read some posts from some people here who say that if you're willing to listen to them and go slow, then they might be able to really help you taper down and eventually off of Suboxone.

    I wanted off of opiates bad enough that I went to, as they say, the same extent to get clean as I did to get high. But I'm clean for a while now, and it's time to get off of the subs and get on with my life. Suboxone very much helped me to stay off of dope until I could pull myself together, learn, and live life on life's terms. However, my doctor says the physiological characteristics of my brain structures are "wired" in such a severe predisposition for addiction that it's too much of a risk for me to come off any time in the foreseeable future. Based on my history of addictions, treatments and relapses, I'd have to concur.

    But I'm tired of being hooked on the Subs the in same way I got tired of being hooked on the oxys etc. I'm scared though b/c I feel trapped by this doctor and suboxone and the whole thing with insurance and copays and just being in the doctor's office all the time.

    I've been taking Suboxone for about 6months. He started me out at 32mg/day. I got myself down to 21mg/day and that's where he suggests I stay. He believes that lower than 21mg/day and my cravings and drug thoughts and obsessions will return and I'll be back in active use. I've now got myself down to 12mg/day, which he doesn't know about and as far as I'm concerned he doesn't have to. I'm having a hard time getting down from the 12mg/day. I will admit, that sometimes at the 12mg/day dose, I have cravings and am probably as at-risk as my doctor says. But even so, I've been able to stay away from dope at this dose and I've been attending meetings, I have a psychologist and a psychiatrist and a great support system. My phsycian's concerns are legit, but I want out from under the suboxone, especially since it's buprenorphine. Buprenorphine is a fairly nasty opiate and as far as I know, it's not widely used in the USA for pain relief, anesthetic adjunct or anything. With the long half-life, rapid-physical dependence and torturous withdrawals, it's not difficult to understand why. Suboxone is a short-term arrangement and I've been on it for 6 months. It's already been longer than "short-term" as it is generally defined

    That said, can somebody please help me set up a taper to come off the 12mg/day?

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    Congratulations on making this decision. You can do this on a slow taper without a lot of discomfort. It will take a little longer for you than for someone who has used suboxone for a few weeks, but six months is not an unreasonable time frame to taper off from. We have had people here who have used suboxone for two or three years and have tapered successfully. A very very slow taper is the key.

    I don't personally believe that hardly anyone needs 20mg of suboxone long term. No way you have taken more opiates than me for any longer than my 35 years of actual abuse. I did this with 8mg and was off in six weeks including the taper. It was all done by trial and error doing this taper. No one gave any suggestions. But what worked for me has worked for lots of others here too.

    I don't mind drawing up a taper plan. But for your benefit I want to see how you react initially and then we will be better able to set up something specifically for you. We are not all the same.

    Start tomorrow if you are ready. Drop from 12mg to 8mg. Continue there for one week. Lets see how you feel along about the third or fourth day. That will show how you react to the half life of suboxone. Then we can make a plan for the next couple of weeks. If you have any problems you can always go back up to 10mg but it's okay to be a little aggressive at this point rather than when you get down to 4mg or less. It's best to take this slowly and make adjustments as necessary. Good luck and God bless.

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