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Hydrocodone when are you addicted?
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    My girlfriend has 15-20 migraines each month...her doctor gives her imitrex and a prescription for hydrocodone(5mg pills)to ease the associated body aches. She usually starts with 1/2 a pill and then moves up depending on the migraine...she fills her prescription fairly regularly (monthly) and has been doing this for 5 years....My doctor said she is likely addicited...but she says her doctor says thats impossible.....should I be concerned?

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    I had serious headaches like she had and it turned out my blood pressure was way out of control, they put me on blood pressure meds and headaches went away, but addiction had already set in. She needs to go to neurologists if she is having that many migraines a month. No way to live. tHey can put her on daily meds that will make them go aaway. Also Maxalt is a lifesaver when migraine hits. Hope this helps. Also the pain meds can cause horrible rebound headaches that are worse than migraines, and it is a vicious cycle.

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    You don't have anything to worry about.Very rearely does someone who is taking a narcotic for pain get addicted.I would keep an eye out for her, if you notice a sudden increase in the amount of pills she's taking ect.It sounds as though she's ok and taking them when needed......Dave

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    Thanks for the responses so far...a little more info....She exhibits some "out of the ordinary" issues that have concerned me.....she gets strange rashes/hives, is very constipated, sometimes has difficulty breathing (she does have asthma), night sweats (soaks the sheets but not every night) and is either full of energy or so tired she can hardly stay awake at work sometimes, last night she was complaining of severe stomach cramps (not her period)....She is taking Paxel also which has some weird side effects...My concern though is the hydrocodone...she ran out last week (last presecription was in Jan)and can't get another prescription until March and she was asking me for my prescription....I told her I threw them away and she was mad...from what I have read addicts have to have the drug regulary in increasing amounts should I be worried?

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    Now that you've giving this info I would have to change my answer earlier and say that yes it's very possible that she is experiencing addiction.She needs to be re-evaluated by her doctor to see if she requires more meds as she will build up a tolerance to any narcotic after awhile.Addiction is very embarrassing to the patient and they will do almost anything to get thier pills,even lying.It's not that they are bad people it's just what happens to people when they become addicted.By the way I'm an addict, just so you don't think I'm some kind of know-it-all lol.If her doctor won't increase her meds then she should look into methadone.I take methadone for both my addiction and chronic pain (back surgeries,spinal stenosis).It is an exellent pain killer and she will have lots of energy as methadone has a tendency to lift addicts out of thier depressions......Dave

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    Dave,

    Thanks for the honesty...are you saying she could be addicted on 20-5mg pills per month? I think that is the lowest dose they make and she has been taking them for years...I am really confused. Could she have a mental "dependency" while not being "addicted"? Is there a difference? Is methadone non-addictive?

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    20 a month is all you know of. Just remember an addict is very good at keeping things hid. If she just lets you know of the 20 she has then that would explain when she gets sleepy or out of it, she can say "ahh i just took a headache pill"...yes, if she got mad that you threw away your prescription then she probably does have a problem.

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    Hi Mike:The other poster makes a good point.Can you sit down with her and have a heart to heart.The biggest fear for an addict is to be found out and then not be able to get thier pills.You have to reassure her that your on her side and are willing to do what needs to be done.It's a very lonely life believe me......Dave

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    No ...I have tried to talk to her about it and she gets really angry that I would question her judgement and says "you don't understand how bad my migraines are!"....she did say she is willing to visit a headache specialist so I am pursuing that avenue and will talk to the doctor about my concerns before we visit....

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    I am also a frequent migraine sufferer. I fill a prescription for percocet twice a month along with relpax for pain management. When you're getting this many headaches a month you unintentionally become addicted. I feel for your girlfriend but she has to be physically addicted at some level. Unless she's gone more than 3 days without taking any she hasn't felt the withdrawals. If she's getting 20 headaches a month that's unlikely. I am in the process of tapering off myself and solely using the " migraine medecine " for the headaches.

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    mehajami:

    On the 10th you asked if your girlfriend could be addicted when only taking 20 pills per month. Assuming that is all she is taking, (as I agree that the REAL number is probably more), the answer is without question....yes. I have known many who have become addicted at very, very minor dosages........especially after such a long history of use.

    Nobody ever intentionally becomes addicted but the result is unavoidable if the usage continues.

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    MPVT --

    Why did you tell Mike he has nothing to worry about? "Very rearely does someone who is taking a narcotic for pain get addicted." That could not be a more FALSE statement. People get addicted all the time to pain medication. Where did you get your information?!


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    Hi Mike --

    I have read all of your posts and from the very first one I could tell you had a problem (well your girlfriend does). Yes, she is addicted, bad. When you start asking for someone else's prescription and when you get offensive when being approached about it, you gotta problem. Who is to say she really doesn't have headaches and just uses that for an excuse? It is a perfect excuse because you can't really tell if someone has a headache. I know what I'm talking about because I have been there. She needs to get help because it will not go anywhere but worse from here. Being constipated is from the vicodin itself and the sweats are a withdrawal symptom. Good luck! If you have any more questions, you can email me if you would like. I don't think she has a mental addiction, it is a real addiction. Hydrocodone is a narcotic and very easy to get addicted to.

    Theresa -- trecrop@yahoo.com

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    Mike --

    Another thing you can do which will REALLY REALLY piss her off and I am really surprised my husband didn't do this to me. You can call her doctor and leave a message to talk to his nurse. I would call and leave a message for a call back. Don't just leave a message, make sure you talk to his nurse personally. Just tell him you are concerned, yadda yadda. He won't be able to give you any information about her, but he will be glad you called. Then again, if she really wants the stuff, she will get a new doctor. If she uses the computer, make sure she isn't ordering it on line. I know ALL the tricks when it comes to getting vicodin.

    Theresa

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    Teresa...thank you ...I am confused, is she addicted or not? sure are alot of suspicious "symptoms"....I will try to find out her doctor...it could really cause problems, your right. This woman is a professional, makes great money, is a joy to be with. We have been dating for 8 months and I don't want to get deeper involved if she has a problem that she continues to deny. I wonder if she knows she has a problem and is hiding it or if she really believes she has no problem.....let me ask you this.... Is is possible to take these long term for pain management with out becoming addicted and if not will the dosage need to increase to provide the pain releiving benefits? Also I have heard several people talk about switching to methadone...will that provide the pain relief with out the addictive qualities?

    Mike

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    Doodle, what are you doing for your headaches? I found out my mother had migraines 3 weeks out of the month from ages 19-33 and was addicted to percocet and darvon.....she finally got rid of the headaches (and the drugs) when she had a hyserectomy....

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    Hi Mike --

    Yes, she is addicted. With just the things that I read in your posts, she is. It is exactly what I did. I used the headache/migraine excuse, told all of my doctors that I had them about 3 times a week when in fact I've only had about three in my life. There are other migraine meds that she can take, vicodin should be for ONLY when you can't get rid of the migraine. If you can, just find her pill bottle and her doctor should be on the label -- this is really gonna piss her off, so be ready! I think this is something you really need to fix before you go on because it will get worse. I am very thankful that my husband stuck it out. I did everything I could to keep it a secret and it worked for over a year until I got caught stealing pills from family members. You should confront her about it and flat out ask her what the deal is with the vicodin. She will be offended, for sure, but you gotta do it. I think it is possible to use this long-term w/o being addicted. My parents take vicodin and have for years and they are fine. It seems the longer you take it, the more you need it though. If she is using it to catch a 'buzz' she will need to take more and more as time goes on and 20 pills a month isn't enough if she is addicted. I was taking up to 15 a day AND drinking on top of it. Ah....methadone....I tried that and the withdrawal symptoms were horrendous! If you have to do it, you have to but you are just substituting one for the other. It works great until you need to get off of it. It is possible to use methadone as a pain reliever, but she will have to find someone to prescribe it to her. . She will have to be in pretty severe pain for that to happen. You are in a tough spot but intervention is what she needs. An ultimatum was all it took for me. I could quit taking them or lose my house, husband, daughter, everything.

    If you have anymore questions, feel free to ask. Do you live together?

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    Theres alot of mis-information here. As a former Vicodin addict, She is definately addicted. She needs those pills to make her feel "normal" I was taking them for 1 year straight and I had a VERY hard time when I stopped taking them. She's been taking them for 5. It's like a mild herion WD. Opiate addiction (which is what pain pill addiction is) is one of the most powerful addictions there is. Physical and Mental. You can DIE if you do not taper off properly, so definately do NOT just let her go cold turkey. Doctors have different taper programs for patients who they've decided to end their prescription.

    Hiding or throwing out her medication is a bad idea. Since she's an addict, if given a choice, she probably will choose her meds over you. And your relationship will be in shambles. Talk with her about it. Tell her I know your addicted. Don't you think it's time to stop? When she decides she wants to quit, you both need to go to her doctor and decide on a plan to taper down off the meds.

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    I was worried when after being on lorcet 5mg three times a day for two years for neuropathy pain in all four extremities that it could one day hit me in the butt so to speak. But alas our finances got to point i couldnt do what doctors wanted me to..go to additional therapy and psych consul for coping mechanism evaluation. I must have been one of the lucky ones because other than pain level going from a level 6 with pain medicine..went to level 8 without but nothing else. No sweats..no nausea..no nothing. But maybe its because it never really helped my pain much anyway. My hands are the worst..they are pure agony...but without being able to afford extra services doctors want me to have..they wont order pain medicine. First day i was concerned..was upset but learned this after hospital called me because doctor wanted to remove my father from life support..and he died. I do think meds that actually take away your pain coudl be addictive atleast psychologically as lets face it..if you have choice between no pain and pain umm how many of us would willingly chose pain.

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    Excellent post Relic. My hubby did exactly that. He confronted me but not in anger, he told me all the negative effects the pills were causing our family. He did not threatin to leave but offered his help and that really made me take a look at my problem. In the past he did use the threat to leave and that just pissed me off and gave me a headache & of course I had to take a pill. I guess it just works one way for some but I know the no nagging way definitely sent me looking for help.

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    Mike
    Normally I am not a big responder to posts but this one is close to home for me. I am in the process of tapering off of Hydro at this time. I started 3 years ago with Vicodin 5/500. I have a bone disorder that causes constant pain that is unbearable at times. The best way I can describe that first pill is like an old car that just got a good lube job. None of my joints ached, I could straighten up without pain and my sciatic nerve wasnt screaming at me. Over time I graduated to Norco 10/325 and at the high point was taking 6 a day. Last June I decided to quit cold turkey. Big mistake. Some of the symptoms were depression, flu like feelings and stomach cramps.
    I spoke with my doc and we decided that I should cut my pills in half and reduce the amount I take by 1/2 per month. I am now down to 2 1/2 per day. My pain is increasing but I am able to control it with Aleave for now.
    I do not want to be addicted to these pills the rest of my life. Getting them is no problem because of the disease but this is a personal decision for me. I would agree with the others that your girlfriend is addicted to the Vicodin. I would not recommed her stopping all at once. I know people who have done it but its rough. I've quit smoking and drinking and neither compares with stopping this drug. You and her need to talk with her doctor and come up with a gradual reduction of the drug so that she can handle the withdrawls.
    OK thats my $.02. Sorry it's so long. Hopefully something I have shared you can use. Good luck and remember you guys are not alone with this.
    Jim

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    Trecrop, you have absolutely NO idea what you are talking about. There is a MAJOR difference between addiction and dependence. I have severe back problems (4 levels of disc herniation, spinal stenosis, impingement on thecal sac, sclerosis) and I take 100 mg MsContin BID with 30 mg Roxicodone TID.

    I am dependent on these meds which means that if I stop them abruptly, I will get withdrawal. However, I am NOT addicted.

    Addiction is a social and physical proeblem where someone will take the meds for the high. Addiction leads people to do anything to get the meds including stealing and lying.

    Studies have shown that most chronic pain patients do not get addicted. For example, when I take my meds, my quality of life improves as I get pain relief, but NO high.

    Addicts are the opposite. Their quality of life is actually destroyed by the meds.

    Personally, I follow the Docs directions and do not get a buzz from the meds. Nor do I seek to get them from the street.

    Many Doctors still do not understand the difference between addiction and dependence, but it is recognized by the medical profession and the DEA.

    So before you go shooting off your misinformed mouth, I would suggest that you re-read this post until you understand the difference.

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    Okay, here is my question, why can't she get another prescription until January? If the doc is writing them that far apart, expecting them to last for months, and she has run out already, then she definitely has a problem.

    And to trecrop, it is a proven fact that over 90% of the people who take meds for chronic pain issues do not get addicted to them, they can walk away at any time, once their pain problems are solved. The simple reason being, that they hate having to rely on meds to live their life normally, and thus don't develop the same mental addiction as other people sometimes do. I believe this is what mpvt was talking about.



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    Zippysgoddess, this thread was started last February! How Wolftrades started it up again, I have no idea.

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