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    Hello Randy

    Just wanted to add a congrats to you & your lovely bride!! You're starting such a wonderful & exciting journey and I wish you all the best!

    We all appreciate your wise words & generosity of spirit to share with everyone. It's very much needed on this forum & I'm glad you're here!

    Best wishes to you & your wife!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Autumnhopes View Post
    Hello Randy

    Just wanted to add a congrats to you & your lovely bride!! You're starting such a wonderful & exciting journey and I wish you all the best!

    We all appreciate your wise words & generosity of spirit to share with everyone. It's very much needed on this forum & I'm glad you're here!

    Best wishes to you & your wife!

    Thank you very much for the very kind comments, Autumn. I really appreciate it!

    I did read some of your thread and I'm very sorry to hear of your recent diagnosis. I'm sure with a positive attitude and following your doctors advice you'll be fine. You're in my thoughts and prayers.

    Thanks again,

    Randy
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    Hello Friends!

    Just thinking I would provide a little update. My life has completely changed (for the better) in the last few months. I've had time to reflect on my entire life, and my life today. Man, what a difference. A very big difference.

    On July 6th 2018 I celebrated my 4th year clean. And yes I'm proud of myself for that accomplishment. To think where I was 4+ years ago makes me shudder. I was in deep, real deep. Just a short recap.....I was taking so many different drugs I rarely knew what day it was, even what year it was. And I could have cared less. All I did every single day was wonder how I would get my next fix. Every ER knew me by my first name I visited them so often. Every personal physician I had dropped me as they should have. All the available dealers would seek me out first because they knew I would pay big $$$ for what they had. I was mixing opiates and benzo's regularly. I made a horrible choice to go to Methadone. Bad, bad idea. Spent years on that stuff and my doses rose to 200mgs+ daily. Made the switch to Suboxone and it without a doubt saved my life. And that brings us to day.

    I have a college degree. I have a great job with lots of responsibility. I have a nice home, car/truck, and plenty of good, clean friends. I stay busy playing sports and thoroughly enjoy that. I still spend time in both NA and AA meetings. I was married on June 9th to the most amazing woman ever. Her entire family adores me and I them. I'm the luckiest man alive. And now I would like to announce that I will be a father in the very near future. One of my greatest wishes has come true. As I said, I'm the luckiest man alive.

    I tell you all these things not to boast or "rub it in" to anyone. I say this to let you know you DO NOT have to remain in the trap of active addiction. You can get out and your life CAN change for the better. It can get much better than you may realize. Your wildest dreams can come true. Yes, you can do it! All it takes is one thing....

    You Have To Want It More Than Anything Else In The World. Period.

    Take care friends,
    Randy
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    Great update Randy!! Congratulations!! I'm so happy for you and the misses. Your story is absolutely inspiring. And you deserve this!!!

    You will be an amazing father. That I know for sure.
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    Aww darling I'm posting with tears... Couldn't have happened to a more loving caring man that you are. You should be Proud of yourself Randy this addict knows that hard traveled road. You are absolutely right You have to really want this for yourself more than anything! Than and only than can we change.
    Thanks again for sharing your journey with all of us here I've told you before your thread was the first I've read here even though in the beginning when you said CT from the methadone was not possible and I was going to show you ha.. I really wanted it, your words here your experience were/are priceless my friend ty...
    Now not all of us can get a blood test meet Cinderella and live a fairy tale life so envious my friend lol no really how exciting a baby wow Randy can't even express how happy I am for you both. I am glad your still here darling as you have helped me you are helping countless others still suffering. Congratulations on 4 years would have loved to hear that share oh I guess you did.
    Thanks for all you do. Love you my friend...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beefaroni7272 View Post
    Great update Randy!! Congratulations!! I'm so happy for you and the misses. Your story is absolutely inspiring. And you deserve this!!!

    You will be an amazing father. That I know for sure.


    Thank you, Beef. I appreciate the kind words. I'm very excited by the recent news!

    Hope you're doing well. I see you're planning a potential move to Florida? I hope everything works out for you.

    Take care,
    Randy

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lvg nghtmare View Post
    Aww darling I'm posting with tears... Couldn't have happened to a more loving caring man that you are. You should be Proud of yourself Randy this addict knows that hard traveled road. You are absolutely right You have to really want this for yourself more than anything! Than and only than can we change.
    Thanks again for sharing your journey with all of us here I've told you before your thread was the first I've read here even though in the beginning when you said CT from the methadone was not possible and I was going to show you ha.. I really wanted it, your words here your experience were/are priceless my friend ty...
    Now not all of us can get a blood test meet Cinderella and live a fairy tale life so envious my friend lol no really how exciting a baby wow Randy can't even express how happy I am for you both. I am glad your still here darling as you have helped me you are helping countless others still suffering. Congratulations on 4 years would have loved to hear that share oh I guess you did.
    Thanks for all you do. Love you my friend...

    Hi Doll!!!

    Yeah, my entire story might make for a good book, or perhaps even a true-to-life movie at some point. Maybe I'll call Hollywood and see if anyone's interested. . If I haven't already lived it I might have trouble believing it.

    I remember well your first post here and you saying you were going to CT some ridiculously high amount (200mgs) of Methadone. I thought to myself....This chick has no idea what she's in for. Lol. She's going to think she found H*LL or worse than that. I thought: no way she's going to make it. But as you said you made me eat my words (and I'm very thankful for that) and you wanted it more than anything and found freedom waiting for you. To this very day I don't know or even heard of anyone doing what you have done. Kudo's to you girl. That's truly EPIC stuff!!! You're Amazing!!!

    I've told my entire story many times in NA and AA. I've had people gasping, some crying, and some shaking their heads in disbelief as the facts came out. I've shared some really crazy stuff, but when I got up and told how my last 4 years has been I was in tears by the end of my speech a couple of times. It hit me all of a sudden what exactly I had accomplished.

    And now to know I'll be a father soon is over-the-top for me. It really is. I'm already antsy and it's still very early in the pregnancy. What a thrill this will be, and what a life-changing event too! I'm more than ready though. And I'm completely Blessed to have what I have and will NEVER take any of it for granted.

    I hope things are good in your world. I know how hot it can get in Florida. Been there many times in the winter and summer and the summer can get absolutely blazingingly (is that a word?) hot and humid. I guess you get use to it mostly? I haven't forgot about that "procedure": you spoke of recently. Not sure what's going on but I wish you nothing but the very best and hope the outcome is as positive as it can be. Please let me/us know how you're doing/feeling. Ok?

    Thanks again for the wonderful words. So went of you....

    Randy
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    Dang I definitely would buy the book but you spoiled the ending.. Or the new beginning... I bet you were all choked up sharing you have me in tears but wow so great those tears are eh... Who knows maybe you'll be the main speaker at world some day!
    As far as the h*ll I went threw and I'm clean I want to share my personal experience with all reading it was absolutely the stupidest thing I did going cold turkey off methadone... Now having experience with the methadone you should absolutely TAPER.. The reason for the taper off methadone /subs is not to put your body and your brain into shock which is exactly what happened to me. I suffered endlessly. I now help others getting off the garbage and they all are or have tapered slowly off the junk and seem to have little withdrawals. I say this because I was so against tapering I had no willpower to do it but it's possible to do but why suffer needlessly. I do know you have to really want this for yourself this is a choice you have to make... I chose to live....
    Yes Randy it's hot here I'm originally from New York now I can make cookies on my dashboard... I'll never get used to it... As far as the procedure Im waiting on a specialist so I have more time to sit in my chit and think of all the negative cr*p.. I know it sounds awful but I'm actually not scared of the procedure or the outcome its the anesthesia as crazy as it sounds but my truth. I'm the one that thinks if I get a kidney from an anonymous donor prolly an addict would I have to change my clean date yep my best thinking didn't get me here eh... I feel ya rolling your eyes...

    ~much love always my friend
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    Randy -

    First and foremost, congratulations on your four year anniversary. So very proud of you. I think I have been with you three of those four years. You need to most definitely need to write a book a book about your experiences. Pull excerpts from your experiences of your writings on here, will bring a lot to light to so many people you may not be reaching out to.

    I'll admit, there were times I held my breath with some of the stuff you were going through. In the the back of my mind, I thought he has been pushed to the very limit. I am so glad you worked and pushed so hard to show so man people it can me done. I took no expensive rehabs or fancy live in sober houses, it just took you wanting it more than anything. It goes to show you, money does not buy clean. Determination and wanting it does.

    Congratulations on the impending birth of your son or daughter. Over the moon, you are. You are being rewarded. Life is good. Always stay on this horse no matter what. I don't need to tell you this though, do I?

    Keep spreading the word. Don't go away. So many have. We need people like you to give hope. You, Cat, Lvg, Dave, Froggy, Beef, Silver--to many to count, but never too many.

    Again, congratulations on my friend.

    Hope
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    Randy!!!

    Congratulations! I am over the moon happy for you. I have been missing a lot lately dealing with my life which can be topsy turvy at times just like everyone but I do try to check in and read every morning. Just little posting on my part. My bad.

    Anyway--Good stuff just keeps rolling your way and you so deserve it. You worked for every moment of this. Never take a thing for granted. Balance. Don't forget balance. Be the wonderful husband and father that I know you will be, but don't every forget about your needs, your wants because they are important too. I of course don't know if this is a problem for you and I hope it's not! Just remind yourself how much you love to be needed and doing, your family wants that too but not after you've set the rules that you'll take care of everything. Don't be afraid to be needy sometimes. It's essential. If I had to pinpoint the biggest mistake I've made in life, I did the complete opposite. HUGE mistake, my friend.

    There. That's my advice for the new family man. Advice you probably don't need so call it a reminder. Love you!

    Peace,

    Cat
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lvg nghtmare View Post
    Dang I definitely would buy the book but you spoiled the ending.. Or the new beginning... I bet you were all choked up sharing you have me in tears but wow so great those tears are eh... Who knows maybe you'll be the main speaker at world some day!
    As far as the h*ll I went threw and I'm clean I want to share my personal experience with all reading it was absolutely the stupidest thing I did going cold turkey off methadone... Now having experience with the methadone you should absolutely TAPER.. The reason for the taper off methadone /subs is not to put your body and your brain into shock which is exactly what happened to me. I suffered endlessly. I now help others getting off the garbage and they all are or have tapered slowly off the junk and seem to have little withdrawals. I say this because I was so against tapering I had no willpower to do it but it's possible to do but why suffer needlessly. I do know you have to really want this for yourself this is a choice you have to make... I chose to live....
    Yes Randy it's hot here I'm originally from New York now I can make cookies on my dashboard... I'll never get used to it... As far as the procedure Im waiting on a specialist so I have more time to sit in my chit and think of all the negative cr*p.. I know it sounds awful but I'm actually not scared of the procedure or the outcome its the anesthesia as crazy as it sounds but my truth. I'm the one that thinks if I get a kidney from an anonymous donor prolly an addict would I have to change my clean date yep my best thinking didn't get me here eh... I feel ya rolling your eyes...

    ~much love always my friend

    Oh, I completely understand your concerns about your procedure. I too had those same thoughts about what would/could potentially happen if I had a serious injury that required surgery and anesthesia and/or powerful pain meds needed to be prescribed. Oh yeah, it's definitely something to think about. But you know what, I know I'm now in a place that I truly believe it wouldn't be a problem. I really do. I would figure it all out and proceed carefully. I believe you too are in the same place as me....you never want to travel that dark road ever again.

    Now you thinking if you received a kidney transplant from an addict would require you to change your clean date is funny, funny stuff ya nut!!! Lol. I laughed and laughed at that one!!!

    Randy

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    Quote Originally Posted by hopes1211 View Post
    Randy -

    First and foremost, congratulations on your four year anniversary. So very proud of you. I think I have been with you three of those four years. You need to most definitely need to write a book a book about your experiences. Pull excerpts from your experiences of your writings on here, will bring a lot to light to so many people you may not be reaching out to.

    I'll admit, there were times I held my breath with some of the stuff you were going through. In the the back of my mind, I thought he has been pushed to the very limit. I am so glad you worked and pushed so hard to show so man people it can me done. I took no expensive rehabs or fancy live in sober houses, it just took you wanting it more than anything. It goes to show you, money does not buy clean. Determination and wanting it does.

    Congratulations on the impending birth of your son or daughter. Over the moon, you are. You are being rewarded. Life is good. Always stay on this horse no matter what. I don't need to tell you this though, do I?

    Keep spreading the word. Don't go away. So many have. We need people like you to give hope. You, Cat, Lvg, Dave, Froggy, Beef, Silver--to many to count, but never too many.

    Again, congratulations on my friend.

    Hope

    Hi Hope -

    Thanks for posting and the kind words. Your remarks immediately brought me back to the time where I had "issues" with my family, and especially my parents. And all the "other" stuff too definitely had me pushed to my limit. Did I have thoughts of using again, of course I did. But I had worked way too hard to get out of the nightmare and no way was I going to let my clean time go away. Things eventually worked themselves out as you know, but sure could have ended up differently.

    The birth of a child has me beyond excited! One of those things I never thought could or would happen to me. If you had told me 4-5 years ago if I would be where I am now I would have said you that you were nuts. But here I am regardless. I know I'm one of the very lucky ones.

    I will NOT use drugs today!

    Thanks again, Hope. You're so precious.

    Randy

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    Quote Originally Posted by Catrina View Post
    Randy!!!

    Congratulations! I am over the moon happy for you. I have been missing a lot lately dealing with my life which can be topsy turvy at times just like everyone but I do try to check in and read every morning. Just little posting on my part. My bad.

    Anyway--Good stuff just keeps rolling your way and you so deserve it. You worked for every moment of this. Never take a thing for granted. Balance. Don't forget balance. Be the wonderful husband and father that I know you will be, but don't every forget about your needs, your wants because they are important too. I of course don't know if this is a problem for you and I hope it's not! Just remind yourself how much you love to be needed and doing, your family wants that too but not after you've set the rules that you'll take care of everything. Don't be afraid to be needy sometimes. It's essential. If I had to pinpoint the biggest mistake I've made in life, I did the complete opposite. HUGE mistake, my friend.

    There. That's my advice for the new family man. Advice you probably don't need so call it a reminder. Love you!

    Peace,

    Cat

    Hey Cat!

    About time you stopped by! Lol. Kidding of course as I know how busy your life is these days. Topsy turvy is an understatement right. Yep, me too!

    Really, thanks for posting and for the life lesson. I get what you're saying, I do have that "balance" in my life. And I totally realize how important it is. You're so right about that. Can't hold out and be the go-to-guy all the time. I don't believe it'a a problem for me, but sure appreciate you pointing it out. You're so smart.

    "New Family Man" makes me smile. You said that on purpose didn't you?

    Love you too!

    Randy

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    Quote Originally Posted by Randy35 View Post
    Oh, I completely understand your concerns about your procedure. I too had those same thoughts about what would/could potentially happen if I had a serious injury that required surgery and anesthesia and/or powerful pain meds needed to be prescribed. Oh yeah, it's definitely something to think about. But you know what, I know I'm now in a place that I truly believe it wouldn't be a problem. I really do. I would figure it all out and proceed carefully. I believe you too are in the same place as me....you never want to travel that dark road ever again.

    Now you thinking if you received a kidney transplant from an addict would require you to change your clean date is funny, funny stuff ya nut!!! Lol. I laughed and laughed at that one!!!

    Randy
    Yep still a crazy nut hahaha....
    I told you and I'll tell you again I earned my seat buddy I'm not changing my clean date not even for another Addicts kidney hahaha
    Wow it's a great life today eh...
    Yes me too in that same place I was just sharing some stinking thinking never forget we are Addicts geeze... I have a great support group to good ughh no really it just a thought Randy I been threw a lot of chit in the last 21 months that could have put me back out but today I have not found a good excuse to use no matter what... Glad we can laugh today....
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    Omg. I woke up this morning and thought about this forum and Randy. Its been a while since I've signed on so i have a lot of reading to catch up on.

    It looks like things are going well for you. Congrats on the marriage!

    I'll try and catch up after work this evening.

    4 year gang checking in!
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    "New Family Man" makes me smile. You said that on purpose didn't you?

    Love you too!

    Randy[/QUOTE]

    I most certainly did!!!

    Peace,

    Cat
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    Quote Originally Posted by Comeback Kid View Post
    Omg. I woke up this morning and thought about this forum and Randy. Its been a while since I've signed on so i have a lot of reading to catch up on.

    It looks like things are going well for you. Congrats on the marriage!

    I'll try and catch up after work this evening.

    4 year gang checking in!


    Holy Cow CK!!!

    What a pleasant surprise to see a post from you! I've thought about you often and wondered how things we going for you. If I remember right you are several months ahead of me in clean time? I'll head to your thread in a minute.

    Yes, things are going very well for me. I'm in a good place.

    Hope you stick around a while.

    Randy
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    Yep 4 years end of May. Things are good. Wouldn't have it any other way.

    Ill try and stick around.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Comeback Kid View Post
    Yep 4 years end of May. Things are good. Wouldn't have it any other way.

    Ill try and stick around.
    I too have to go check to see if you've updated your own thread. WOW I think of you often and now I know that you are slaying it. Proud of you but miss you around these parts. Make a point of coming around more often. New folks need to know just how far they can go if they just keep at it.

    Hope life is treating you well and that your family is in a good place.

    Peace,

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    Hey Randy. Things are good. Thanks for stopping by. Heading down to FL on Tuesday for a couple interviews and some house hunting. Really looking forward to it. Work has been a little brutal for the past 2 months but such is life. We're all doing really well up here just excited about our upcoming relocation. Hope all is well with you and the misses.

    Have a great day big guy!
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    Hi Randy - I am looking for your help please see below:

    So last night I inducted on Subs at 6 mg of Suboxone 8mg/2mg. I took my initial dose at about 7:00 pm my time... That's when I finally reached a 26 on the cows sheet. it took me 48 hours to get there... I'm assuming because I was on such a high dose of Oxy... anywhere from 450-510 mg's per day. My question: What does my daily dose look like? at what intervals and for how long? I feel a little loopy this morning... light headed and dizzy. I took my last dose of sub at about 11:00 last night. My symptoms today: Weak, no appetite, dizzy, tight chest, a little achy (not like w/d's achy). I feel defeated and mentally a little depressed...



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    Hi Randy!
    Congratulations
    Congratulations
    Congratulations!

    3 huge accomplishments..
    clean , married, a father..
    the perfect order of things!
    I am right behind you with clean time!
    Loving it!
    Gonna have another grand baby next year in March!
    They will wait ti find out the sex this time!!

    Life is good!
    God
    Meetings
    This board saved my life..
    this pill epidemic is even reaching my intensive care unit!!
    We never use to see pill problems but now it is at least once a week overdose , busted crossing the border with swallowed drugs or any other insanity that goes with that life!

    I just hopped on to look up something about a physe med for my daughter and wanted to say hi and congratulations!

    I had no doubt in my mind that u would still be clean!
    You are like me!
    Done ! One day at a time!
    Take care ,
    Bette
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    Quote Originally Posted by Iluv2smile View Post
    Hi Randy!
    Congratulations
    Congratulations
    Congratulations!

    3 huge accomplishments..
    clean , married, a father..
    the perfect order of things!
    I am right behind you with clean time!
    Loving it!
    Gonna have another grand baby next year in March!
    They will wait ti find out the sex this time!!

    Life is good!
    God
    Meetings
    This board saved my life..
    this pill epidemic is even reaching my intensive care unit!!
    We never use to see pill problems but now it is at least once a week overdose , busted crossing the border with swallowed drugs or any other insanity that goes with that life!

    I just hopped on to look up something about a physe med for my daughter and wanted to say hi and congratulations!

    I had no doubt in my mind that u would still be clean!
    You are like me!
    Done ! One day at a time!
    Take care ,
    Bette


    OMG.....Bette!!!

    What a shock, and NICE surprise to hear from you after all this time!! I've thought about you often and wondered how you were doing. I'm certainly happy to hear you continue to be clean and on the road to freedom. Hope things are going well in your life. Please don't be a stranger and pop in once in a while. You have so much to offer here. Take care my friend.

    Randy

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    Quote Originally Posted by Day2_Nightmare View Post
    Hi Randy - I am looking for your help please see below:

    So last night I inducted on Subs at 6 mg of Suboxone 8mg/2mg. I took my initial dose at about 7:00 pm my time... That's when I finally reached a 26 on the cows sheet. it took me 48 hours to get there... I'm assuming because I was on such a high dose of Oxy... anywhere from 450-510 mg's per day. My question: What does my daily dose look like? at what intervals and for how long? I feel a little loopy this morning... light headed and dizzy. I took my last dose of sub at about 11:00 last night. My symptoms today: Weak, no appetite, dizzy, tight chest, a little achy (not like w/d's achy). I feel defeated and mentally a little depressed...



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    Hey There -

    I'll answer you here then post to your thread letting you know. Thanks for seeking me out. I'm not around much any more, but try to jump online when I can. I owe this place so much and if I can help I certainly want to try.

    Good job following the plan using the Cows to induct. It's absolutely crucial to get that part right. The only thing I question is the amount of sub you inducted on. Suboxone is much. much stronger than most everyone realizes. Just a very tiny amount such as .25mg, and even .125mg can keep someone out of wd's. Even the most hardcore addicts only require doses less than 4mg daily.

    Because of the symptoms you say you're experiencing it most definitely sounds like too much sub. I'm, sorry I didn't see your post sooner, but you may be ok now? What I would have suggested is the next day to take 2mg in the am and 2mg about 8-10 hours later in the day for a total of 4mg daily. You should not need more than that. Try not to take it too close to bedtime as Suboxone has been known to keep some people awake.

    Yes, your habit was huge, but believe me I've seen many with higher ones, including myself. As I mentioned Suboxone is crazy strong and once you get a little bit in your system you can immediately begin taking less of it because of the long half life it possesses.

    You want to remain on the sub long enough to change your addictive thoughts and behaviors. But not too long because dependance and addiction can occur to the subs just like any other opiate. Robert's plan takes around 6-8 weeks and that's about the right time frame for most people, but can certainly be tweaked to fit personal needs.

    Right now the goal is to get stable on the lowest effect dose. Let me know where you are and how you're feeling and we'll go from there. Take care.

    Randy
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    Quote Originally Posted by Randy35 View Post
    Hey There -

    I'll answer you here then post to your thread letting you know. Thanks for seeking me out. I'm not around much any more, but try to jump online when I can. I owe this place so much and if I can help I certainly want to try.

    Good job following the plan using the Cows to induct. It's absolutely crucial to get that part right. The only thing I question is the amount of sub you inducted on. Suboxone is much. much stronger than most everyone realizes. Just a very tiny amount such as .25mg, and even .125mg can keep someone out of wd's. Even the most hardcore addicts only require doses less than 4mg daily.

    Because of the symptoms you say you're experiencing it most definitely sounds like too much sub. I'm, sorry I didn't see your post sooner, but you may be ok now? What I would have suggested is the next day to take 2mg in the am and 2mg about 8-10 hours later in the day for a total of 4mg daily. You should not need more than that. Try not to take it too close to bedtime as Suboxone has been known to keep some people awake.

    Yes, your habit was huge, but believe me I've seen many with higher ones, including myself. As I mentioned Suboxone is crazy strong and once you get a little bit in your system you can immediately begin taking less of it because of the long half life it possesses.

    You want to remain on the sub long enough to change your addictive thoughts and behaviors. But not too long because dependance and addiction can occur to the subs just like any other opiate. Robert's plan takes around 6-8 weeks and that's about the right time frame for most people, but can certainly be tweaked to fit personal needs.

    Right now the goal is to get stable on the lowest effect dose. Let me know where you are and how you're feeling and we'll go from there. Take care.

    Randy
    Hi Randy - Thank you for taking the time to get back to me. I know what people's time is worth and I appreciate you taking your time to respond to me. Since we have started our dialogue here on your thread I will keep it here. First things first; I have a question: When we talk about the Suboxone mg's are we talking about the 8 or the 2 because the package reads 8mg/2mg... so when you talk about taking .25 of a mg would that be .25 of the 8mg # or the 2 mg #? I do not think that I could cut that film into a .25 mg strip if going off of the 8 mg number.

    I have read Robert's plan at least 25 times. While it is probably the most helpful sub plan on the internet it still leaves me with questions. So I come to you with those sub questions because it appears that Robert passed the torch to you. I also have a report with you and feel very comfortable with you. So now... to jump right in. Where am I and what have I done?? After I posted yesterday i waited around for a response... since I did not get one I decided to bring myself down to 4 mg's as I was afraid that 6 was too high. So I took all 4 mg's yesterday at about 7 pm... exactly 24 hours after I began induction. I did as much reading as I could and what I determined as of this morning was that since I inducted at 6mg's that 6 was my number... so I took 3 mg's this morning at about 8:00 am with the plan of taking 3 mg's this evening. Now that I have read your reply i want to follow your guidance.

    So the question: this evening when I get home from work do I take 1 mg of sub to = 4 mg's total for the day? Or do I take 2 mg's and reset tomorrow at 2 mg's in the am and 2 in the pm? Also how long do I stay at this dose. I want to be DONE. My wife is freaking out that I am going to get addicted to the subs. Can I taper off within the next 10 days? I do not need another medication to withdraw from and I am little bit scared if I go 6-8 weeks. Can't I just take the subs until my initial withdraw is done and over with and then begin to taper off of the subs?

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    Randy - Just a thought...I have been on the subs for 3 days? Like I said I took a 3mg dose this morning. What if I just stop taking subs right now? The worst of my w/d symptioms from the original opiate detox should be behind me... So the subs should have masked all of that. Is it your opinion that I will begin to withdraw from the subs? Or will it be like resetting the clock on the original opiate detox? Or will I feel some w/d's in 4 days? what do you think?

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    Hey d2n. I'm gonna hop in here. From what I've read, short tapers like you're describing rarely work. The chance for relapse is very high. Subs are a great tool if used properly. I'd be willing to bet if you stopped taking them right now it would be like resetting the clock. I'm sure Randy will pop in and correct me if I'm wrong on any of this. You were on a high dose and it's gonna take some time to get you through it. I'd say to give yourself the best chance for success you should stick to the taper schedule. If you do that your w/d symptoms will be minimal. I would take 1mg tonight and start tomorrow with 2mg in the morning and 2mg 8-10 hours after that.

    To answer your question about the 8mg/2mg strips. Each strip contains 8mg of buprenorphine and 2mg of naloxone. So if you need 1mg you would cut that strip in half, then cut that piece in half, and then cut that piece in half to get 1mg. Seems like a lot of work I know. But you need to be precise with dosing. Even .5mg of sub is a lot. It's crazy strong. There is a YouTube video from former member Harry smooth that shows you how to get the absolute precise cuts with subs. Get some tweezers and some sharp scissors. It will make things a lot easier.

    Hope this helps
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beefaroni7272 View Post
    Hey d2n. I'm gonna hop in here. From what I've read, short tapers like you're describing rarely work. The chance for relapse is very high. Subs are a great tool if used properly. I'd be willing to bet if you stopped taking them right now it would be like resetting the clock. I'm sure Randy will pop in and correct me if I'm wrong on any of this. You were on a high dose and it's gonna take some time to get you through it. I'd say to give yourself the best chance for success you should stick to the taper schedule. If you do that your w/d symptoms will be minimal. I would take 1mg tonight and start tomorrow with 2mg in the morning and 2mg 8-10 hours after that.

    To answer your question about the 8mg/2mg strips. Each strip contains 8mg of buprenorphine and 2mg of naloxone. So if you need 1mg you would cut that strip in half, then cut that piece in half, and then cut that piece in half to get 1mg. Seems like a lot of work I know. But you need to be precise with dosing. Even .5mg of sub is a lot. It's crazy strong. There is a YouTube video from former member Harry smooth that shows you how to get the absolute precise cuts with subs. Get some tweezers and some sharp scissors. It will make things a lot easier.

    Hope this helps
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    Thank you Beef! I appreciate it. I will go to you tube to look for the video that you speak of. Many thanks for taking the time to reply to me. This is tough... I know that you all are busy and so I really appreciate your help. I will try and work on a schedule to offer both you and Randy so that you can tell me if I am on the right track.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Day2_Nightmare View Post
    Thank you Beef! I appreciate it. I will go to you tube to look for the video that you speak of. Many thanks for taking the time to reply to me. This is tough... I know that you all are busy and so I really appreciate your help. I will try and work on a schedule to offer both you and Randy so that you can tell me if I am on the right track.
    Absolutely. Anything to help. Stick to the schedule of 25%drops every4-7 days. Some will be easy, and some may take more time. The important thing is to make sure you're stable before reducing your dose. Otherwise you'll basically be in w/d for the remainder of the taper. Make sure you do it right so it's the last time. It's a marathon not a sprint. But in 6-8 weeks you'll be free of this! You can do it!!

    Keep up the good work.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Day2_Nightmare View Post
    Hi Randy - Thank you for taking the time to get back to me. I know what people's time is worth and I appreciate you taking your time to respond to me. Since we have started our dialogue here on your thread I will keep it here. First things first; I have a question: When we talk about the Suboxone mg's are we talking about the 8 or the 2 because the package reads 8mg/2mg... so when you talk about taking .25 of a mg would that be .25 of the 8mg # or the 2 mg #? I do not think that I could cut that film into a .25 mg strip if going off of the 8 mg number.

    I have read Robert's plan at least 25 times. While it is probably the most helpful sub plan on the internet it still leaves me with questions. So I come to you with those sub questions because it appears that Robert passed the torch to you. I also have a report with you and feel very comfortable with you. So now... to jump right in. Where am I and what have I done?? After I posted yesterday i waited around for a response... since I did not get one I decided to bring myself down to 4 mg's as I was afraid that 6 was too high. So I took all 4 mg's yesterday at about 7 pm... exactly 24 hours after I began induction. I did as much reading as I could and what I determined as of this morning was that since I inducted at 6mg's that 6 was my number... so I took 3 mg's this morning at about 8:00 am with the plan of taking 3 mg's this evening. Now that I have read your reply i want to follow your guidance.

    So the question: this evening when I get home from work do I take 1 mg of sub to = 4 mg's total for the day? Or do I take 2 mg's and reset tomorrow at 2 mg's in the am and 2 in the pm? Also how long do I stay at this dose. I want to be DONE. My wife is freaking out that I am going to get addicted to the subs. Can I taper off within the next 10 days? I do not need another medication to withdraw from and I am little bit scared if I go 6-8 weeks. Can't I just take the subs until my initial withdraw is done and over with and then begin to taper off of the subs?

    Follow the exact suggestions that Beef provided as they are exactly as I would have laid them out to you.

    I would tell your wife that you must remain on the subs long enough for them to do their job which is very true. Tell her if you stop them after a short time the relapse rate is very high as Beef eluded to. Hopefully she'll understand. I've seen way too many relapses from those that perform the quick or short tapers. Just follow Robert's plan and you can't go wrong.

    Remain on your 4mg daily dose for about a week then begin your 25% reductions every 4-7 days.

    This process works my friend....if you follow it closely.

    Randy

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