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Quitting Opana.. Not sure the best way? Need support
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    Default Quitting Opana.. Not sure the best way? Need support

    I haven't been at it very long, but my addiction grew pretty fast. It's probably been about 3 months of snorting roughly one opana 40 or about 3 roxy 30's per day..

    I woke up the other morning vomiting, sweating, chills and feeling classic opiate withdrawal symptoms. I've been doing just enough to not feel sick over the last 48 hours. It seems I feel the symptoms about every 12 hours. I woke up this morning feeling awful, did just enough opana to keep the symptoms at bay and felt decent until it came back tonight.

    If I seek out a suboxone doctor, will I be put on some kind of drug abuser list? I'm not having cravings to get high, I just want to use enough to get off of this stuff. I've found someone with the ER gel 10, 60 and 80 OP's that are really hard to abuse. Do you think if I buy some of these and chew off just enough to not feel sick I can eventually ween myself off?

    I've been dealing with addiction for a few years, been through a few months of rehab and lived in a sober house. I have all the information, I just need to use it. I feel so frustrated that I got myself back in this situation. I just relapsed a few months ago so I'm not new to this game at all. I got a doctor to order me an actual oxycodone taper once, but don't think that's going to work this time.
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    So many views, no responses?

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    Hi there, welcome. If you have the willpower to wean yourself off, kudos to you! Most addicts find it almost impossible to control themselves when it comes to their drug of choice. Give it a try. Most people around here prefer to go cold turkey. I've heard weaning off opiates described as "a death of a thousand cuts". Have you tried going cold turkey this time? I know it's awful; I've been there.

    I wouldn't go the Sub route. I have a lot of experience with Sub. Your current habit isn't off the charts, so I think Sub would be a tad overkill. Most Sub doctors don't have a clue what they're doing as far as induction, dosages, and tapering off. Most of them don't take insurance, but they note your file as "opiate addiction/dependency therapy" in your chart. If you were to find a Sub doc that actually takes insurance, then yes...the insurance company would see that you're being treated for addiction and/or dependency.

    I recommend you start a new thread on the "Need to Talk" board. There's much more traffic there and you'll get lots of support.

    All the best,
    Kat

    PS: weekends tend to be slow around here which is probably why you hadn't received any replies yet. Like I mentioned, post on the Need to Talk board. Lots more people there!
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    Welcome,

    Sorry we missed you last night. Weekends are a bit slow here so I hope you come back to check your thread today. Yeah, Kat--"Death by a thousand paper cuts" or as I always say, picking at the bandaid instead of ripping it off. Tapering for me was impossible. One of the variety of reasons I'm an addict is a total lack of discipline where opiates are concerned, so why would I believe that I'd be able to control them? I never could. There are some folks who can do it and I am totally amazed by that, honestly I am.

    Subs--no way!! I never used them myself but having been around these boards for so long I have read the horror stories about subs and the doctors who prescribe them. It was only recently that I got to see this first hand with my son. I thought the doctor was wonderful until I found out that he gave my son three days of subs AFTER he had finished 7 days of detox and 7 days of rehab. That's correct after not using for 14 days. Those 3 days of subs set him back 10 days of detox symptoms all over again and the sub dose was relatively small compared to what most doctors prescribe--like .1 mg twice a day. They are incredibly strong with a really long half life.

    Is it possible for you to get the stuff from the Thomas Recipe and hunker down for around 5 days and just do this? I hope you can. Post and update and you'll get the support to hold your hand through it. It isn't easy, but totally doable. The anticipation is a whole lot worse than the actuality, especially knowing in advance what it's going to be like. Take it one minute at a time. If I could do it, you can too. Hope to see you post when I check later.

    Peace,

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    Quote Originally Posted by Catrina View Post
    Subs--no way!! I never used them myself but having been around these boards for so long I have read the horror stories about subs and the doctors who prescribe them. It was only recently that I got to see this first hand with my son. I thought the doctor was wonderful until I found out that he gave my son three days of subs AFTER he had finished 7 days of detox and 7 days of rehab. That's correct after not using for 14 days. Those 3 days of subs set him back 10 days of detox symptoms all over again and the sub dose was relatively small compared to what most doctors prescribe--like .1 mg twice a day. They are incredibly strong with a really long half life.
    Cat - Subs aren't the problem, it's the people that mis-use them, and doctors that have no idea how to prescribe them to patients, how to induct properly, or how to get their patients off the subs. Most all of these so called "sub doctors" want the patient on the highest dose possible for the longest time possible to fatten their pockets. It's all about the money to be made. The patient/addict is left to fend for themselves and that's quite often what tends to be a "horror" story.

    If the patient remains on too long, drops by huge dose amounts, or reduces way too fast, that usually creates most of the problems you read about here. Most every addict (not all of course, there are a few very good sub doctors) that comes to these boards are already in trouble with the subs asking for help. Those of us that try our best to help are usually trying to undo what thier doctor has done to them. Some of course do it to themselves. Subs aren't any kind of miracle drug, and they definitely aren't for everyone. But if they are used CORRECTLY they can be a great tool to help fight addiction.

    Subs saved my life Cat. I can tell you with 100% positivity that without them I wouldn't be here right now writing this, but instead 6 feet under ground. No joke either - that's a fact!

    I'm not trying to argue the point of subs being good >> bad, just saying there IS a use for them in fighting this disease we call addiction. They aren't always a bad decision in my opinion. I realize you know all this Cat, I'm just getting this out for those that may be on the fence whether to try subs or not. I would tell anyone that is considering going on sub therapy to read every piece of evidence about this drug and do your research. They may be right for you - and they may not.

    Thanks Cat for bringing this up. I have the highest respect for you, your wisdom, and your posts. Hope you have a wonderful day!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Randy35 View Post
    Cat - Subs aren't the problem, it's the people that mis-use them, and doctors that have no idea how to prescribe them to patients, how to induct properly, or how to get their patients off the subs. Most all of these so called "sub doctors" want the patient on the highest dose possible for the longest time possible to fatten their pockets. It's all about the money to be made. The patient/addict is left to fend for themselves and that's quite often what tends to be a "horror" story.

    If the patient remains on too long, drops by huge dose amounts, or reduces way too fast, that usually creates most of the problems you read about here. Most every addict (not all of course, there are a few very good sub doctors) that comes to these boards are already in trouble with the subs asking for help. Those of us that try our best to help are usually trying to undo what thier doctor has done to them. Some of course do it to themselves. Subs aren't any kind of miracle drug, and they definitely aren't for everyone. But if they are used CORRECTLY they can be a great tool to help fight addiction.

    Subs saved my life Cat. I can tell you with 100% positivity that without them I wouldn't be here right now writing this, but instead 6 feet under ground. No joke either - that's a fact!

    I'm not trying to argue the point of subs being good >> bad, just saying there IS a use for them in fighting this disease we call addiction. They aren't always a bad decision in my opinion. I realize you know all this Cat, I'm just getting this out for those that may be on the fence whether to try subs or not. I would tell anyone that is considering going on sub therapy to read every piece of evidence about this drug and do your research. They may be right for you - and they may not.

    Thanks Cat for bringing this up. I have the highest respect for you, your wisdom, and your posts. Hope you have a wonderful day!
    Randy,

    No offense taken here! I sometimes type too fast and think too little. Of course you are right. Subs have their purpose and even though I most often stay away from saying much about them because I have no personal experience, I get a case of foot-in-mouse disease. Thanks for setting the record straight.

    So, where is ballerific? Hope there's a new post today.

    Peace,

    Cat
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    Thanks for the advice everyone. My plan is to ween down this week and then hunker down this weekend using the thomas recipe and hopefully be well enough by Monday to make it to classes, etc. I'm currently a student. After weening down using just enough not to be sick over the past 3 days, the withdrawals in the morning and at night are a lot easier to deal with. I did get a few of those OP 60 and OP 80 gel tabs that I've been cutting up and taking orally. I've heard opana is one of the hardest opiates to get off in terms of withdrawal.

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    It is like death by 1,000 cuts, but I'm a student and need to be well enough to go to class. I'm also home for fall break and didn't want to appear to sick around my family. Once I get back to school I'm done. It's going to be really hard. I still can't believe I put myself back in this position. I thought I could control it at first, and didn't have any w/d symptoms until I woke up with awful nausea and throwing up about 3-4 days ago. I haven't thrown up the past two mornings.

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    ballerific...

    Sorry, I posted to you, but it seems to have disappeared. Anyway, my friend was on Opana....don't fret....seems to be a side affect, the puking....she did too, but now she is at day 31 and doing great. She mixed them with Oxy, but Opana was her choice...so, don't fret....you can do this!

    Yogurt and things helpful to the stomach will be your key. She quit c/t......twice.....this last time seems to be holding, she never was a pill head, so take faith and keep going. After the nausea you need to start moving, as soon as possible....little walks will help.

    As far as the hardest thing to withdraw from....I don't know, she was in poor health when she did it....you will make it....your young and as long as you are determined....I think you'll be okay.

    God bless.

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    What exact opiate is opana? Is it a ER opiate? Only opiate pill I never got my hands on so I have no doings with this one. You don't see much opana around here.

    However, I quit very minimal discomfort using catapres, xanax, lope, and soma. If you go to a doctor and tell them everything, ask for the above. You might not get them all, but normally they don't have a problem with some catapres. It took a good 70% of my symptoms away. I was working on day 3 or 4, can't remember exactly. But I was able to work. Did I want to? Did I want to move off the couch? NO. But I forced it and once engaged in work I noticed when I was busy I really didn't care anymore. You can distract yourself from a lot of sickness once your over the hump.

    I would suggest a google search of "letter from a master drug addict". It changed the way I approached me quitting this time. Longest I have been without an opiate in years. My clean time is nothing compared to a lot but other then motivation and feeling cold, I can force myself to do things and not feel like I am dying while doing.

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    You should see an addiction specialist.
    Im off Tramadol for almost a week after one year of constant use. We need to treat the underlying issues (depression, anxiety) but also ease you off the opiates. Your doctor can help. There is doctor-patient confidentiality so I would not worry about privacy. good luck to you.

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