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    Default Cold turkey off 120mg oxy or jumping after 3 weeks of roberts plan?

    Hi,
    Need some advice and opinions on kicking a an oxycodone addiction a little over 2.5 years now that
    is at 120mg snorting a day. I tried suboxone back in november but did it incorrect and so was scared of it
    was using it as needed and that just didnt work and never stabilized and suffered every other day, i got off it
    as i decided on ibogaine treatment and needed it out of system leading up to. Long story but i couldnt do ibogaine when it came time yesterday so back here today to design a new plan to get my life back

    Is roberts taper ultimately the best plan for getting off oxys even though i would be going to a harder drug than the one im already using? is jumping after the 3 week taper alot less miserable than cold turkeying from where i am at now?
    after the 3 weeks of roberts plan would i still have the oxy cravings i have now of severe like hunger pains and or abdominal pains and dry/metal mouth cravings???? or would it be different type of cravings?

    thank you for your help

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    Hi there.

    When you say Robert's taper plan, are you referring to his Suboxone plan or another one?

    Let me know and we'll go from there...
    Kat

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    Roosta if you c/t off 120mg Oxy that will be a pretty bad w/d but if you do the Thomas recipe it's do able expect 10 days of acute w/d I c/t off 80mg OxyContin 6 months ago. If you want to go on subs you need to wait till you in full w/d typically 3 days no opiates to be inducted...

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Husband View Post
    Roosta if you c/t off 120mg Oxy that will be a pretty bad w/d but if you do the Thomas recipe it's do able expect 10 days of acute w/d I c/t off 80mg OxyContin 6 months ago. If you want to go on subs you need to wait till you in full w/d typically 3 days no opiates to be inducted...
    Hi guys thanks for the interest i really am grateful and in need of support more so than opposition to my plan, as i am happy to just have of made one and having a plan is a big step alone and i have gained confidence recently with the compliments i have gotten about how forthcoming i am about my issue and desire to get clean.
    Kat....I am referring to Roberts short term Suboxone taper, i am very much a believer in it as well as Dr Stephen >>>>>>>s mindset to it. It starts with hiring a psychiatrist possibly Dr >>>>>>>(but $$$) and his 12 week program which would be the short term suboxone taper(as getting stable is the most important thing with where i am at mentally right now and having nothing to do but feed me and my dog)...I am lucky enough that i think will my other wise healthy self i am able to go 12-14 hour without oxy usually from 8pm at night until 9-10am but use every3-4 hours when awake. i have no real chronic pain at this time as i was masking feeling with it and looking for energy. Also i have a low enough tolerance i can induce subs at very minimal 1-2 mg area. I just need to get comfortable taking on reg schedule this time as opposed to being scared by the drug and dragging out until i absolutely need it thus was never really stable. A few well seasoned recovered addicts and recently a nurse who have seen me going without meds really think my withdrawals dont even quite qualify as dopesick and feel i can beat it with the right cocktail of non narcotics which gives me confidence.I never tried clonidine during withdrawals and think this could help. My issue is getting something to do with my life as i can definitely see how my physcological withdrawals kick in before physical and being occupied will help this

    So after the 3 week Sub taper the 12 week plan would then tackle getting off the 1mg xanax i have been on nightly for the better half of 13 years, which occassionally i have come off when i have a life going on. Instead of self diagnosing and self medicating i will get a proper diagnosis to my mental issues and then treat accordingly with a mood stabilizer/anti depressant....

    Im just very curious as to when i jump off subs if the same type of physical cravings i have now for the oxys if they will reappear or is it a different type of physcological and physical craving of just wanting to feel the good from the subs that i will have. Hopefully a lower dosage will bode well for me when making the jump and i will have a daily routine in place keeping my mind busy and stimulated. I am curious as to your symptoms and thoughts when going this route?
    thank you
    J

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    Today i was able to reduce my dosage in half from 120mg to 60mg i did
    15mg/15mg/and then 30mg tonight and that will be all for tonight.
    Usually i do 4 30mg doses between 9am and 9pm Beyond the withdrawal symptoms something has been really off in my head last few days with heavy panic and anxiety due to several situations i feel like i went into a disturbed state, not sure if interrupting these dosages has caused this as once i did the usual 30mg dose tonight i felt a bit more normal.

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    The heavy panic and anxiety are symptoms of w/d you should try and do the following taper:

    120mg
    112.5mg
    105mg
    97.5mg
    90mg
    82.5mg
    75mg
    67.5mg
    60mg
    52.5mg
    45mg
    40mg
    37.5mg
    30mg
    25mg
    20mg
    15mg
    10mg
    7.5mg
    5mg
    2.5mg
    000

    you can do it just stay consistent on when you take your dose and you can drop every day or 2 and wait till you feel stable before you drop once you get down to lower doses as the drops will be more noticeable.

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    Roosta I see where husband has put up a taper schedule for you and if you can do an oxy taper as opposed to using subs that would be good. Myself I had to go the sub route as I never could do a pill taper or taper with fent either as I used a combo of both before I used subs. I ended up using subs a total of 4 months because for the first 6 weeks I was at 8 mg a day or higher. I had been a member here for years but was not even aware of the forums here when I first started subs. Anyway as I already mentioned if you can get off the oxy train without using subs that would be good but if you find you cant and end up requiring suboxone then there are many here that will be able to answer questions you have and offer you advise on how they tapered off subs. It may require more then 3 weeks though but if you start out at a low dose then you wont need to worry about having a bad experience using subs as a tool to help you get clean. I noticed you mention Dr >>>>>>> and I am familiar with him. I read a interview he conducted back in 2010 about using subs as a detox tool. I remember him stating how subs were a great tool to use for getting off drugs but that is exactly what they were is a tool. I know his program was for 21 days of subs but if you induct at a fairly low dose and follow Roberts taper plan on this site you will be ok if your on it for more then 21 days. Oxy has a fairly short half life especially if you are snorting them so you should not have to wait 3 days to induct as Husband mentioned to you. I know you tried to do a fast taper last year with subs so I know you are already somewhat familiar about subs. My best wishes to you on getting and remaining clean and perhaps you wont require the use of subs. But in case you do let us know here on this thread and we can take it from there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roosta23 View Post
    Hi guys thanks for the interest i really am grateful and in need of support more so than opposition to my plan, as i am happy to just have of made one and having a plan is a big step alone and i have gained confidence recently with the compliments i have gotten about how forthcoming i am about my issue and desire to get clean.
    Kat....I am referring to Roberts short term Suboxone taper, i am very much a believer in it as well as Dr Stephen >>>>>>>s mindset to it. It starts with hiring a psychiatrist possibly Dr >>>>>>>(but $$$) and his 12 week program which would be the short term suboxone taper(as getting stable is the most important thing with where i am at mentally right now and having nothing to do but feed me and my dog)...I am lucky enough that i think will my other wise healthy self i am able to go 12-14 hour without oxy usually from 8pm at night until 9-10am but use every3-4 hours when awake. i have no real chronic pain at this time as i was masking feeling with it and looking for energy. Also i have a low enough tolerance i can induce subs at very minimal 1-2 mg area. I just need to get comfortable taking on reg schedule this time as opposed to being scared by the drug and dragging out until i absolutely need it thus was never really stable. A few well seasoned recovered addicts and recently a nurse who have seen me going without meds really think my withdrawals dont even quite qualify as dopesick and feel i can beat it with the right cocktail of non narcotics which gives me confidence.I never tried clonidine during withdrawals and think this could help. My issue is getting something to do with my life as i can definitely see how my physcological withdrawals kick in before physical and being occupied will help this

    So after the 3 week Sub taper the 12 week plan would then tackle getting off the 1mg xanax i have been on nightly for the better half of 13 years, which occassionally i have come off when i have a life going on. Instead of self diagnosing and self medicating i will get a proper diagnosis to my mental issues and then treat accordingly with a mood stabilizer/anti depressant....

    Im just very curious as to when i jump off subs if the same type of physical cravings i have now for the oxys if they will reappear or is it a different type of physcological and physical craving of just wanting to feel the good from the subs that i will have. Hopefully a lower dosage will bode well for me when making the jump and i will have a daily routine in place keeping my mind busy and stimulated. I am curious as to your symptoms and thoughts when going this route?
    thank you
    J
    My opinion regarding the sub taper plan is that it absolutely works if followed correctly. The induction is the most important part. Also, being stable before each drop is crucial.

    Subs never took my cravings away. I've heard other people say it lessened their cravings. But it never worked that way for me, unfortunately. I can't say for sure, but it's very likely you will have cravings for opiates for a while. Most people find that the cravings lessen after some solid clean time.

    My symptoms on my sub taper have been mostly mental/psychological. Although, sometimes I get mild hot/cold sweats and fatigue.

    Best of luck to you!
    Kat

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    Well the anxiety is definitely from cutting but also i had traumatic experience anxiety wise leading up to the ibogaine treatment i almost did as far as surrending my brain to a hallucenogenic and then the sense of coming home not healed to everyone who had such high hopes for success for me and having to go back to the rat race of scoring pills, costs and high and lows of short acting opiod, on top of that,i had a missed call from the DEA yesterday as i have been under stress last 2.5 years of a pending possible rico indictment, i feel like all this and lessening dose something snapped yesterday and the chemicals were all out of whack in my head and i was disturbed beyond my usual just miserable self LOL... The last dose i have taken was 30mg at 5:30pm last night and its now 11:48pm and despite a stressful morning with pup at vet i havent dosed yet but cravings and stomach ache coming on. I am pretty proud of myself but i think cutting too much does cause instability and heightens the chance of just saying f %&K it and going nuts on pills one day. There really is something to being busy and the physc addiction kicking in prior to physical...Tapering opiates would be great but not sure if i can handle dullness and motivate myself to go look for job and get back into life and working out like the subs would do for me, and with the legal stress i need stability, way too many issues that could have me using again to numb, subs i dont remember having cravings until they wore off and from day 1 i stretched them out too far 36-48 hours between doses. i think following roberts taper and then finally getting the comfort of a shrink and introducing an SSID would be a good plan for me. It was good i feared and respected the subs but i have to just trust in the taper. The other thing is i have the subs at my house for recovery whereas oxy is costing me 120.00 a day and putting me in hairy situations, been robbed twice in last month with guns.
    I really am excited and thing it bodes well for my recovery that despite my current stress,dose(120mg),and time addicted(2.5yrs) that i am 18 hours off a short acting opiod right now and functioning pretty good.
    cravings and hypertension coming on so not gonna stress the body too much longer. I think having some replies and interest in my sobriety from you guys really just helped as well. I hate to impose on people and burden anyone but keep checking on me please
    and hopefully my posts will add to the data we can pull from to help everyone else who is or will be going thru this hell.
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    Hi Roosta, just wanted to reach out and see how you are doing??

    I am on Day 5 of a C/T of 120mgs oxy. (from dosing as high as 240/mg). I had tried and tried forever to taper but it just didn't work for me b/c I was fully addicted to the stuff.

    I called addictions resources and detox centres to see if I would be ok to home detox.

    My options were: Methadone/Suboxone from a specialist, or alternatives like Benzodiazepams from my doctor.

    If things got really bad I was advised to go to the ER.

    What I did was tell people I trusted I was detoxing. I had someone with me for the first 4 days/nights.

    Night 1 was absolute hell. I got very violent withdrawal symptoms and smashed things, but they are just things. No sleep and pure utter pain. I didn't think I would get through the night but my bf guarded me so I didn't do anything stupid. I am so grateful for that, it was key.

    Day 2 I spent on the phone to everyone I knew either in recovery or whom I could trust. Or online researching addictions management and detox.

    Night 2 - no sleep but not nearly as bad as Night 1.

    Day 3 - slightly better; able to move around a bit

    Day 4 - bf forced me to go to the pool/sauna to move a bit more (note: he had to lift me out of bed and into the car, though)

    Day 5 - (today) I'm still quite sick and in pain (bad flu-like) but I'm trying to stay positive. Yesterday I even felt a wee bit of clarity! Eating, drinking, taking vitamins.

    I am taking OTC meds for the pain/fever acetaminophen and methocarbynol. I take clonazepam for the spasms and seroquil for sleep.

    Lots of heat pads are helping too, for the aches.

    I have cravings today, because I am alone but I plan on just reaching out, reaching out, reaching out!! I hope you keep doing the same

    All the best!

    PP

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