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Cold turkey subutex withdrawal diary
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    Hi all,

    I Guess I should provide some backstory. I have been addicted to opiods on and off for the last 12 years, before that I was addicted to a range of drugs starting with cannabis at the age of 14.

    I have had large recovery times within those 12 years. The biggest being two years so I know I can stay clean, however, I unfortunately seriously damaged my back and started taking opiate medication (for medicinal purposes to begin with) which as you all can probably guess slowly became habit forming. For the last two years I have been on and off dihydrocodeine tablets ranging from 1000mg to 1500mg. If anyone has had an addiction with these >>>>ers they are extremely europhic and addictive and unlike codeine they don't have a ceiling.

    I swapped to subutex about four months ago, 2mg a day. However, once I became used to the dose I stupidly added tramadol and valium to the mix (the addict in me!). Bad idea, as tramadol and subutex work well together for producing europhia, strangely the subutex doesn't block the effects of tramadol. I went up to roughly 700mg tramadol a day, on top of 2mg which also climbed to 4mg. I also was taking 10mg a valium as it helps with your streshold for seizures. Disturbingly we devote so much of our time in order to get as high as we can.

    Anyhow, I quit cold turkey about 6 weeks while I had a bad fever. I managed to get to 18 days before I relapsed. Since then, for the last month, I had been doing 6mg of subs with tramadol 500mg a day until 5 days when I quit again.

    I am about to move far away on the other side of the world for a job in March so I need to sort myself out before then or it will all too much being addicted to opiates while adjusting to a new job and culture.

    I have created this dairy to help me stay clean while hopefully helping others who are in similar predicaments. I have so much experience with withdrawal that is getting ridiculous now, I know once you hit the two month mark you are pretty close to feeling like normal (whatever that even means).

    The hardest for me has always been the mental side of withdrawals which hit around day ten for me and last until at least a month where they lessen in severity.

    It is now day 5 and feeling pretty good. I have been sleeping ok, 6 hours a day albeit a highly disturbed sleep. Vivid dreams and hot flashes and cold chills that appear predominantly at night. In the day I have little energy but push myself to work out which helps. My appetite is hit and miss but I can eat enough to not feel exhausted from a lack of nutrition.

    One thing I'm grateful for is I'm having hardly any pain in my legs which was always the worst acute symptoms for me.

    If you read all that fair play, thanks for reading. I will try and post as much as I can detailing my journey to sobriety.

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    Hey 12, welcome.

    Have you considered tapering off the meds to make things easier?

    There is a suboxone taper plan stickied at the top of the suboxone sub forum. It is Robert's taper plan and has helped thousands of people get off as easy as possible.

    Give it a read if you're interested. I as well as many others are currently doing the taper as outlined.

    Good luck and keep us updated.

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    I second what wavision said. Jumping off at 6mgs seems really scary if that’s the amount you were last on. We’re here to answer any questions if you need us.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 12yearsopioiduser View Post
    Hi all,

    I Guess I should provide some backstory. I have been addicted to opiods on and off for the last 12 years, before that I was addicted to a range of drugs starting with cannabis at the age of 14.

    I have had large recovery times within those 12 years. The biggest being two years so I know I can stay clean, however, I unfortunately seriously damaged my back and started taking opiate medication (for medicinal purposes to begin with) which as you all can probably guess slowly became habit forming. For the last two years I have been on and off dihydrocodeine tablets ranging from 1000mg to 1500mg. If anyone has had an addiction with these >>>>ers they are extremely europhic and addictive and unlike codeine they don't have a ceiling.

    I swapped to subutex about four months ago, 2mg a day. However, once I became used to the dose I stupidly added tramadol and valium to the mix (the addict in me!). Bad idea, as tramadol and subutex work well together for producing europhia, strangely the subutex doesn't block the effects of tramadol. I went up to roughly 700mg tramadol a day, on top of 2mg which also climbed to 4mg. I also was taking 10mg a valium as it helps with your streshold for seizures. Disturbingly we devote so much of our time in order to get as high as we can.

    Anyhow, I quit cold turkey about 6 weeks while I had a bad fever. I managed to get to 18 days before I relapsed. Since then, for the last month, I had been doing 6mg of subs with tramadol 500mg a day until 5 days when I quit again.

    I am about to move far away on the other side of the world for a job in March so I need to sort myself out before then or it will all too much being addicted to opiates while adjusting to a new job and culture.

    I have created this dairy to help me stay clean while hopefully helping others who are in similar predicaments. I have so much experience with withdrawal that is getting ridiculous now, I know once you hit the two month mark you are pretty close to feeling like normal (whatever that even means).

    The hardest for me has always been the mental side of withdrawals which hit around day ten for me and last until at least a month where they lessen in severity.

    It is now day 5 and feeling pretty good. I have been sleeping ok, 6 hours a day albeit a highly disturbed sleep. Vivid dreams and hot flashes and cold chills that appear predominantly at night. In the day I have little energy but push myself to work out which helps. My appetite is hit and miss but I can eat enough to not feel exhausted from a lack of nutrition.

    One thing I'm grateful for is I'm having hardly any pain in my legs which was always the worst acute symptoms for me.

    If you read all that fair play, thanks for reading. I will try and post as much as I can detailing my journey to sobriety.


    Welcome!

    It makes absolutely no sense that you would feel euphoric from Tramadol while on subs. That's the entire point of taking subs, to block the effects of other opiates (Tramadol is a Scheduled 4 narcotic) and to also stop wd's. If that were the case and people were getting high from other opiates while on subs it would be a worthless drug. I personally know 100's of people that are currently using subs or have tapered off like myself and not one of them, or me, has ever reported they could get high or feel euphoria. Just doesn't make any sense?

    Regardless, stopping Tramadol cold turkey is just plain dangerous. There's a real risk of seizures and I know this from experience. Consider yourself very lucky you haven't experienced some severe issues when stopping the Trams CT. And the same with the subs, they ideally should be tapered off slow and steady. And 6mgs of subs is a LOT of subs to stop CT. You'll feel ok the first few days because of the long half life of subs, but then the wd's hit and hit hard for quite some time. You stopped 2 drugs CT where both should be reduced slowly over time. I can imagine how you feel.

    Wavision mentioned our sub taper plan to you. Here's the link below to Robert's Suboxone Therapy Plan....

    https://www.drugs.com/forum/suboxone...tml#post436333

    Read over the plan, but pay careful attention to the tapering section. This plan has shown success to literally thousands of members, and I'm one of them. I abused Tramadol, I abused Benzo's, and I abused every drug you could possibly name for about 18 years except Suboxone. It saved my life. I'll have 4 years clean in July.

    Last time you said you made it 18 days before relapsing. Now you have 5 days and I congratulate you for that. But you just stopped 2 drugs and I'm sure will be in rough wd's if not now then soon as you were before. IF you find you just can't make it then please get back on a LOW dose of sub, around 1-2mg daily and taper off using the instructions from the tapering plan. Many have had to do just that so don't feel defeated if you do. It's the wise thing to do if wd's get out of hand.

    I wish you the best. Help is here if you need it.

    Randy

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    Long before my Percocet and then Suboxone addiction I used to pop Tramadol like candy. That stuff was amazing (to my former self), and I can’t believe it didn’t kill me. I got off the Tramadol right around the time it became a scheduled narcotic, maybe a little after.

    I’ve never mixed Tramadol with Suboxone, but I do know that I’ve never felt any sort of euphoria when responsibly taking Suboxone. Even when I was taking 16+mg in the beginning...if anything it was more of a “haze”...but never euphoria like other opiates.

    I remember, with Tramadol, my eyes would be wide open...like crazy wide open.

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    Hi 10 years, yes yes, like me you obviously had a lower threshold for seizures and like me indeed lucky that we both do considering we both obviously heavily abused them.

    Yeah, I did snort the subutex though which provides a quicker onset of europhia, although as I mentioned as soon as they stopped giving me that hit as it is short lived once you become stable on the dose, for me anyway I started tramadol as it the one drug that mixes well witg it. Although saying that I could still get high off >>>>>> when I was taking subs back in the day. Subs are definitely more of a subtle high I find that is long lasting and provides a rush of energy.

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    Hi all,

    Day 6 or just under 150 hours free and feeling pretty good. I believe the reason why I struggled so much more recently was because I went CD off trams, vals, subs and suffering from a bad fever with temperature, on top of that I had about 8 inoculations for various diseases that are more prominent in China. Not fun. This time, however, I quit trams five days before I stopped the subs.

    I slept about 6 solid hours last night, although I woke up exhausted and stayed in bed until 10. Managed to work out for an hour after the early morning malaise left me and now feeling good.

    Thankfully I have six weeks of no work until I move so it gives me the time to properly recover. I may well be teaching up to 30 students so the last thing I want is to still be feeling bad as it will be overwhelming trying to teach while withdrawing.

    If anyone wants any help or wants to ask me anything if they are struggling I'd be more than happy to help any way I can. I know a lot about withdrawals so may be able to offer some advice.

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    Hit the important one week mark this morning and feeling surprisingly well. Apart from some aches and pains which don't bother me as it just feels like I have worked out hard and the occasional wave of chills and irritability I'm good.

    Nice mild sunny winter day today so will go for a nice long walk and get some much needed vitamin d and get my body to create some natural creating endorphins yum ha!

    Feel a bit restless and bored but nothing major so seems like this is going to be another really easy withdrawals.

    Cheers!

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    Good to hear things are going well for you. Hopefully it's stays pretty easy.

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    Just wanted to let everyone know who reads this update that please don't be so scared of all the horror stories that you read on here about subutex withdrawals as it simply not universal. Logic dictates that if you are struggling you are more likely to come onto a forum to ask for help so you are more likely to read about someone really struggling than having an easy time.

    From my extensive first hand experiences with withdrawals there are just too many variables to predict the severity of your withdrawals. If say you have high threshold for pain you will struggle less with the physical side of things, or if you are eating healthy and exercising while taking subutex you will recover quicker than if you are malnourished and lack physical strength. Then you have to consider whether you are mentally in a good place and at peace with yourself when you stop.

    These are just a few of the many variables that will determine how bad your withdrawals will be. Even then, there is no way to really know until you have quit. Yes you may be unlucky and suffer badly or you may be able to jump off without too many complications and have a relatively easy time. I often think before I quit that they are going to be worse than they are.

    I must underline that I no way advocate you stopping cold turkey unless you have a comprehensive understanding of what withdrawals are from start to finish. If you don't please speak to your doctor about your best options, and please and I can't emphasise this enough, make sure your doctor has your best interests at heart and don't want to to keep throwing drugs at you.

    Anyhow, day 9 nearly and feel grateful that I have had a mild withdrawal from subutex, had a great day out by the sea today socialising.

    Mental withdrawals have hit and so I have had small waves of anxiety, boredom, depression that I have found quite easy to ignore to be frank. Music is an amazing tool along with meditation and exercise to allow your mind some equilibrium.

    I have had some pretty crazy vivid dreams but I know this is just my brains way of recovering. I kind of just laugh at them now and wonder intriguely what nightmare I'm going to have this evening.

    Fatigue is slowly improving as I just push through it. Find it hard to get up first thing in the morning but I know that is because I would dose first thing I woke up.

    Anyone need any advice I'll be posting to the point I stop having withdrawals so happy to help anyway I can until then.

    Cheers.

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    Hi all,

    Just a quick update. Day 40 and feel about 90 percent recovered. All physical symptoms left me at day 20. I had some mild to moderate bouts of depression from day 13 and anxiety, almost textbook symptoms. However, since day 32 I've made good steady progress in this regard. I still suffer slight anxiety and get the occasional wave of withdrawals which can be severe and can last hours, although these last few days they have dramatically decreased in volume. This is one aspect of withdrawals that cause a lot of people to relapse and which has caused me to relapse in the past. It feels almost like going back into the acute stage of withdrawal, although they pass as soon as they hit so the best thing I find is just take easy while you are going through them, try and limit stress and things that could trigger a relapse.

    I sleep a good 8 hours a night now although still suffer vivid dreams. I intensely work out 6 days of the week. Eat a very good diet which helps tremendously. I don't take any medication apart from the occasional ibuprofen.

    It has been pretty straightforward and will hopefully spur on someone to stop deliberating, be strong and take action. The Idea of quitting is worse than the actual suffering itself.
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    Congratulations great job.
    Proud of you...

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