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Which detox method should I use 2 come off opiates? Any1 ever used Phenobarbital 4it?
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    Ready2Bclean is offline New Member
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    Default Which detox method should I use 2 come off opiates? Any1 ever used Phenobarbital 4it?

    Hey guys... I'm somewhat new here. I am now a registered member, because I need to ask my own question. I've been lurking on the forums for MONTHS... trying to get answers to my questions while trying to decide what corse of action I should personally take to get clean. I know that each case differs and every person if different so I am going to try and explain my situation the best I can and hopefully you guys can help me decide what course I should take.

    I am a 28 year old female with a nasty opiate addiction. I've been struggling for, probably, close to 10 years. Started with surgery and lourtabs and it has grown into a beast of taking anywhere from 12 to 15 30mg roxi's a day. I was able to come off them for about 2 years with the help of Suboxone, but that is a whole different demon.

    I relapsed and my habit has quickly increased, and lately, I have just been trying to take enough to just not get sick. I supplement this 300+ MG a day dependency on opiates with a 2mg per day (at night to help sleep) xanax "addiction." Although I don't feel as if xanax is the problem here, I don't think I could just quit it cold turkey. I have awful anxiety and literally just shake sometimes. I also take about 5 MG a day of Adderall. Whew. Sounds like a lot.

    I have reached my limit and I am just so ready to live a clean life. I have become this version of myself that I don't even recognize. I hate my life right now and I so desperately need a change. I'm not worried about the xanax right now or Adderall (I was actually prescribed to both by a physician when I actually had health insurance) but I am worried about mixing with the phenobarbital? I'm unfamiliar with it.

    Now that I have truly decided that I WANT TO be clean, I need to decide HOW TO get there. I have the option to detox with subs...and that works for some people, I feel like it's just a substitution (for me, personally) and those are just as hard to detox from. I have a week's worth of phenobarbital available to me but I am very unfamiliar with it and÷ am unsure of how to dose, use, take, taper, etc. I have enough roxi's to get through sat and was going to start the detox on Sunday (I have Monday off work - even tho I'm sure I need more time than that... it's just not an option). How much should I take? When should I take it? How often? Will this completely take away withdrawal symptoms and allow me to work or should I just stick to what I know and go with what I know....subs?

    I'm sure things aren't super clear and you may have questions... ask away. I just really need some help and guidance and I see how supportive and helpful you guys can be and I guess I'm hoping for some of that wisdom. Im sure this is scattered but im trying. Thanks in advance guys. I look forward to discussing what my next move should be.

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    Welcome!

    Please don't add another med to the list of things that you are already taking. That just scares the chit out of me. In my opinion, you should tackle one of those monsters at a time and I'd start with the opiate. Do you think that you would be able to taper those? I never could and most people have trouble with a taper but it is doable. A cold turkey detox is entirely possible too for the opiates but I'm not going to lie to you, you're going to need at least a week of down time to be able to get through the physical part of it. You've been taking benzos so I would leave that alone for the time being but be careful not to increase what you're already taking That's easy for us addicts to do to attempt to treat the detox symptoms and except for getting some over the counter supplements, don't add anything new to the party or increase the amount of anything you're already taking.

    If you can't take that week to cold turkey, and you don't think that you can taper successfully, then subs are another option. Yes with subs you would be substituting one opiate for another but if you commit to doing the proper taper from the subs it will give you the time that you probably need to get used to not feeling the effects of an opiate. The subs will allow you to feel well enough to function and become accustomed to not getting that buzz. Have you carefully read Robert's Sub Taper Plan that is used here? It's a slow taper and you could have a "roughish" day here and there but if you have faith and stick to the plan, you should be able to get off the opiates in a couple of months without any of the horrendous withdrawal symptoms of a cold turkey detox. If you do decide to use Subs, find a sub specialist doctor to get your own script so that you can follow the plan without worrying about getting them elsewhere.

    Think about your options here and let us know what you want to do. We'll support you and help you as much as we can. Only you know what option is likely to give you the best chance of success. Unless you think you can slowly taper off the opiate, if you haven't already, I'd give my best go at cold turkey but that's me. If you can't do either of these, then subs just might be the best choice but if you decide to do the sub taper, it's absolutely imperative that you do it right.

    Good luck!

    Peace,

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    Hey there Ready2Bclean. Congrats on making the choice to get clean. I like you had an addiction to 30mg Roxys, loved them things. I am doing a sub taper right now. At first I planned on a super fast sub taper, like 2 weeks, however after getting good advice here I've decided that a slower one, 2-3 months, would be better.

    Have you ever thought about a sub taper that way? I'm only saying that because the advice I've got here about giving our brains & body time to adjust to being clean is SO important. As addicts I think one of our biggest issues is acclimating back to normal life, just the daily living that can be the hardest. Of course being in WD sucks, but we need to learn how to live again, go to work, hang with family, & doing it without pills that can be the hardest. At least for me that is the hardest.

    Anyway I don't know much about phenobarbital except that I know alcoholics that have used it for detox.

    I'm sure someone else will come along with answers you need.

    Good luck to you!!
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    Tackling the one monester at a time is my plan. I would lovery to just wake up and be clean one day but I am absolutely sure that my body would go straight into shock. I have heard about the slow detox from subs and my fiancee made it all the way to the last week but couldn't finish. It's just scary to get clean in general. I don't think the taper from opiates is an option....I've tried it...and I don't have enough self control to do it. My stupid brain is always like, "well one more won't hurt." But of course I know deep down it does. Cold turkey with the opiates I've tried as well....it's AWFUL and I Def don't have enough time to take off work for that! So I guess in the back of my mind I was kind of leaning towards the sub slow taper too. It's just always rough to get adjusted but I guess it's just something that I have to do.

    Btw....I was scared >>>>less to add the pheno too. That's the main reason I decided to ask. Lurking in the other threads only gets me so far and I haven't seen many people use it as a form of detox suppliment. However, it was prescribed by a doctor FOR withdrawal - just not for me (a friend who is about to detox from herion and is willing to half the script with me to help us both get clean).

    It's scary and I'm nervous but beyond ready to be where I want and need to be! Thanks for taking the time to reply!

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    Also, I having trouble finding a link to Roberts plan....anyway you can send a link? Thanks so much guys. It means more than you know.

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    Hey Ready2Bclean, jumped on here quick before I ran out for the day, and saw your last post. Here's a link to Robert's Sub Taper Plan. Regardless of what you do wish you nothing but the best!!

    https://www.drugs.com/forum/suboxone...apy-66109.html

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