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    Hey hopingtobeclean,your doing awesome keep up the good work.. glad your going to a therapist. Will definitely help with your anxiety. Headaches,aches and pains all part of the process..I promise you this to shall pass.. As for sleep I haven't got much more than 3-4 hrs a night. I used to get anxious,mad and every other negative feeling you can name at bedtime,which made things worse. Now I just don't fight it,I accept it and not so stressed over it anymore,still can't sleep over 4hrs. But I'm not running around chasing doc either. Have a great session keep us posted..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lvg nghtmare View Post
    Hey hopingtobeclean,your doing awesome keep up the good work.. glad your going to a therapist. Will definitely help with your anxiety. Headaches,aches and pains all part of the process..I promise you this to shall pass.. As for sleep I haven't got much more than 3-4 hrs a night. I used to get anxious,mad and every other negative feeling you can name at bedtime,which made things worse. Now I just don't fight it,I accept it and not so stressed over it anymore,still can't sleep over 4hrs. But I'm not running around chasing doc either. Have a great session keep us posted..
    Thanks Lvg! Thanks for the kind words!! So glad you stopped in, was beginning to think i was lonely again

    I will definitely check in after therapist to let you guys know how it went! I really thought that might help alot too....considering this person is a specialist in opiates.

    I got some advil pm for tonight. Im going to take it with my clonidine and ropinorole....rop really helps with RLS, I swear by it. My sub md gave me both those rx's and she was on point with RLS treatment and Clonidine helped abit...nothing to noticeable....? Who knows. I wil check back in frequently to see if anyone posts, otherwise, I will update you after the session. God bless
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    Hey nice going. Glad to see you are hanging in there, and that things seem improved from yesterday. Hope the 4mg daily plan goes smoothly over the next couple days too. Good job!
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    Quote Originally Posted by dsh12345 View Post
    Hey nice going. Glad to see you are hanging in there, and that things seem improved from yesterday. Hope the 4mg daily plan goes smoothly over the next couple days too. Good job!
    Thanks Dsh!! Things have actually smoothed out from yesterday and I feel very stable @ 4mg, SURPRISINGLY considering the amount of vics i was chowing down on. Went to therapy session today and spilled guts out told the therapist everything. Didnt hide anything. So that was positive relief and extra bonus on top of the forum!! Will continue 4mg for two more says then drop to 3 i think. I ready your thread today....proud of you.....how are you doing?? How are things coming along for you? I gotta say all the vitamins I listed help, clonidine and roprinorole help and the bupe became a life saver.....i am ready to be another success story to Roberts legacy; not a horror story!! Lets hang in there and do this together my friend. We got this! God bless
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    Stick with one thread!

    You are doing great!

    But it will take a couple days to stabilize!
    You have really been through a lot..

    I hope your therapy session went well!

    Bette

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    Quote Originally Posted by Iluv2smile View Post
    Stick with one thread!

    You are doing great!

    But it will take a couple days to stabilize!
    You have really been through a lot..

    I hope your therapy session went well!

    Bette
    Hi Bette!! So good to hear from you thanks for the support and kind words, I feel better and more stable today on 4mg total. I dosed twice today between 8 hrs. I will dose 4mg total tomorrow again. I think I am already stable which is awesome!! All the comfort vitamins and meds helped!! Therapy session went well, all part of the success with subs!

    I will continue to post, hopefully have an update in the morning. For now I can 100% sense my eyes not wanting to shut off for the night, which means another sleepless night, but I think the clonidine and rop with some advil pm should help?!

    Thank you my friend, for checking in on me God Bless.
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    I just wanted to pop in and say hi and let you know you are not alone. I am going to start subs soon. I was on them for 7 years, then recently relapsed

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    Ugh, it deleted most of my post! I'll re-write it in a little bit, but wanted to let you know I'll be checking in on you and help support you and hopefully we can help support each other cuz I will be starting subs soon and I'm terrified
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    I've read through your thread and you started out pretty rough but looks like you are doing pretty good now with 4mg/day. I just wanted to give you a couple very important things to do while you are tapering. Dose at the same time/times everyday! It's recommended to dose twice a day early on in the taper then switch to once a day when you get down to 1mg or less. When dosing twice a day take your doses 8-10 hours apart. For example - you would take 2mg at 9am then your second dose of 2mg at 6pm for a total of 4mg. You wouldn't dose again until 9am the next morning, rinse and repeat. Even more importantly is to not do a reduction until you are completely stable on your current dose! The 4-5 days between reductions is not set in stone, if it takes you a day or two longer to become stable then so be it. Do not try to rush the taper, slow and steady wins the race! Best of luck to you! Keep us updated? Take care... God bless us all!

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    Do you have sub tabs or film?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cloudy77 View Post
    Ugh, it deleted most of my post! I'll re-write it in a little bit, but wanted to let you know I'll be checking in on you and help support you and hopefully we can help support each other cuz I will be starting subs soon and I'm terrified
    Hey Cloudy! Oh bummer, that sucks!! It's happened to me before too where I've had to retype cause my post got deleted too! I'll definitely be here to support you, no doubt, especially while I am on my journey here. When are you starting subs? Are you currently in wds? Or just giving it fhat last hoorah before starting? Let me know...I am here for you...!!! God Bless!

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    Hi Ricky! So happy to have you join, Ive seen you post around and am happy to have someone with the same experience as the others that have been here helping!

    Currently on day 3, just took my 2mg at 9am (same time as yesterday), got a good night sleep about 6-7 hrs (mosty due to ropinorole, clonidine and advil pm lol), but I woke up with minor backaches, runny nose, skin still feels like its going to peel off if I scratch it too hard, but hopefully sub should kick in within the hour here and Ill be "normal" which is what I am praying for. Ive read tons and tons of threads here, but have never seen anyone with that high of a habit as mine; so i was really worried about starting at 4mg, but I rather pay the piper and have some discomfort then drag this out at a higher dose and lengthen the process, if this is all i have to suffer with on 4mg, I will take it. Im still functioning and working and actualLy spending more time with my wife and daughter. They have me back, thanks to subs! I use to camp out in my home office all day, run out for a smoke every 10 min, it was insane....i was just killing myself. Since being on subs, I am back down too a pack a day instead of 2-3 that i was doing on Vics and just being normal. Tomorrow is day 4, if I feel okay, then Friday I will drop too 3mg...also, I am on sub strips...I think they discontinued the pills...? God Bless all of us....we got this! look forward to everyone's response

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    Quote Originally Posted by hopingtobeclean View Post
    Hi Ricky! So happy to have you join, Ive seen you post around and am happy to have someone with the same experience as the others that have been here helping!

    Currently on day 3, just took my 2mg at 9am (same time as yesterday), got a good night sleep about 6-7 hrs (mosty due to ropinorole, clonidine and advil pm lol), but I woke up with minor backaches, runny nose, skin still feels like its going to peel off if I scratch it too hard, but hopefully sub should kick in within the hour here and Ill be "normal" which is what I am praying for. Ive read tons and tons of threads here, but have never seen anyone with that high of a habit as mine; so i was really worried about starting at 4mg, but I rather pay the piper and have some discomfort then drag this out at a higher dose and lengthen the process, if this is all i have to suffer with on 4mg, I will take it. Im still functioning and working and actualLy spending more time with my wife and daughter. They have me back, thanks to subs! I use to camp out in my home office all day, run out for a smoke every 10 min, it was insane....i was just killing myself. Since being on subs, I am back down too a pack a day instead of 2-3 that i was doing on Vics and just being normal. Tomorrow is day 4, if I feel okay, then Friday I will drop too 3mg...also, I am on sub strips...I think they discontinued the pills...? God Bless all of us....we got this! look forward to everyone's response
    This should help you? Here's a great video from a drugs.com member named HarrySmooth. He shows how to accurately cut the suboxone strips...
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ttZ5ATKb-LE
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    Thanks Ricky! Ive seen Harrys video....I actually saw alot on how to cut down the strips we're definitely all set there, subs kicked in, I feel normal now minus the chills here and there, could be due to the climate and I had the house set to 60 last night cause i had hot flashes for abit. Other than that just minor back aches for now and sniffles. About to take all the vitamins I listed yesterday and benadryl that should help God bless.

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    I don't think you should drop if you are not completely stable.

    Stable means little to NO withdrawals..
    that means not requiring comfort meds especially on your first week of dosing..

    I am so happy you are enjoying your family now!

    It is crazy how much of our lives revolved around pills!
    Getting
    Counting
    Worrying about them
    Lying

    It really is insane..

    Think about staying a day or more before you drop.
    4 days is the minimum amt of days recommended mainly because of the half life ..

    But it is your decision
    But I hope you do realize
    You only have to do this once ..
    you want to have the best chance possible to succeed..

    You got this!
    Bette
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    Quote Originally Posted by Iluv2smile View Post
    I don't think you should drop if you are not completely stable.

    Stable means little to NO withdrawals..
    that means not requiring comfort meds especially on your first week of dosing..

    I am so happy you are enjoying your family now!

    It is crazy how much of our lives revolved around pills!
    Getting
    Counting
    Worrying about them
    Lying

    It really is insane..

    Think about staying a day or more before you drop.
    4 days is the minimum amt of days recommended mainly because of the half life ..

    But it is your decision
    But I hope you do realize
    You only have to do this once ..
    you want to have the best chance possible to succeed..

    You got this!
    Bette
    Hi Bette! Gosh I always feel relieved hearing from you your words of wisdow and knowledge sure do help! The positive attitude is alot of reinforcement for me to get through this ordeal!!

    So yes, you are right, I will stabilize until i have little to no withdrawal symptoms then drop to 3mg....your totally right...I can't believe its been 3 days now I havent Even THOUGHT or fathomed chasing those damn pills, thats the best part about this!! I am as you said finally enjoying life and family (even with the small discomfort here and there) and not worried about oh shoot im almost not feeling a high, should I pop the next 16 pills at once!

    I will continue toughing it out, as you said, do it once, but do it right!!! WE got this my friends!! God Bless
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    I'm glad you can handle the little discomfort and are able to be with your family instead of the addiction. You can do this. I'm going to do it too, tomorrow I start to let myself get sick (TERRIFIED) but I'm praying it won't last long and when I take a sub all my withdrawals will be gone. You're doing it, so I can do it too!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cloudy77 View Post
    I'm glad you can handle the little discomfort and are able to be with your family instead of the addiction. You can do this. I'm going to do it too, tomorrow I start to let myself get sick (TERRIFIED) but I'm praying it won't last long and when I take a sub all my withdrawals will be gone. You're doing it, so I can do it too!
    Hey Cloudy! Thank you. I have to say, it's truly all mental. The fact that I sound so normal is beyond me....I can't believe the miracle of subs. No matter what you do, disregard horror stories, look for positive stories, look for people who have accomplished clean and managed to stay clean. Thats the only way out. As far as being with my family, again, its due to subs....if I was withdrawing terribly no chance in hell would that be possible. You too can do this....it's all in your head. Control it, do not let it control you!

    When was your last doc intake? Remember to score a 26+ on COWS, to induct properly. I cant recommend where to start at on subs, but do what's best based off your doc intake for however long you've been doing it. DO NOT and I repeat, DO NOT let it get to you; thats how horror stories start, that's how you can't be successful. Fight through it. Trust me! I lucked out big time, if you read my thread, I gobbled down 20 vics then took a 2mg sub an hour after which sent me into pwds, but I by luck, escaped it with a very minor price to pay, not all of us luck out that way and I would HATE to see you go through it, just fight through it. It's a tiny price to pay before going onto subs to feel "normal" and then begin tapering accoedingly. Do not be terrified, hang on, I did it, thousands of others have done it, YOU can do it too! Do not think that way either, this isn't a miracle drug; its not going to let you off that easy, while it will control majority of the w/ds, we still have a small price to pay for what we have done to our body over the years, months, weeks or days of usage, respectively. Good luck & God Bless. I will continue to check in on you and others as well, we are all in this together; and with each other's support we will beat this as best we can!

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    Hi all, just wanted to give everyone an update. Took my 2mg about 45 min ago, no w/d symptoms since my first 2mg dose this am. So it looks like i am beginning to stabilize myself here. If I wakeup tomorrow with no wds and am fine with the 4mg dosage, I can drop on saturday to 3mg, so excited about that milestone. Have been able to function today, got alot of work done, feeling good about being normal again and off this >>>> once and for all!! God Bless us all

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    Hi hopingtobeclean,

    I just did the sub induction early this am. Man I was worried as well after I read some of the posts, but like you I am done with the opioids. I enjoyed your posts and honesty. I started my journey last week with na meetings. Like you I am a professional and have a family. I was thinking about your post and there is something about the hand to mouth action that becomes part of the habit. I would recommend you eat some hard candy. Not only does it have the same sensation but the candy is reassuring and it gets your mind off things. I agree with Bette. I would take it easy on yourself and taper slowly. With the volume of medication you took I would imagine you have built a significant tolerance. I don't want to be preachy but I'm really amazed and proud of how low of a dose you were induced on. Also I think going to meetings would be helpful just know you often get more back from the people you don't think you have something in common with. Be prepared for the group to be preachy on using subs to taper- the na way is fully abstinent but for me I knew I wouldn't be able to go cold turkey. I'd love to hear back from you. Godspeed!

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    Hey good luck to both of you.

    I started on subs exactly 32 days ago after being on an 200-300mg daily oxy and H habit. Today is my first day of 0.5mg dosing. The first 2 weeks I won't lie was rough not for physical symptoms, but for mental fatigue/lethargy/lack of motivation as my brain was adjusting to the subs I think. After that, I felt a lot better. Still feel pretty good right now, hopefully the next 4 days of 0.5mg go well. Hang in there guys.

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    So like 4 days I may start feeling better?

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    Any help for someone who just started to quit pain pills today?

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    How can I do it? I really want to stop.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Justfortodaytx View Post
    Hi hopingtobeclean,

    I just did the sub induction early this am. Man I was worried as well after I read some of the posts, but like you I am done with the opioids. I enjoyed your posts and honesty. I started my journey last week with na meetings. Like you I am a professional and have a family. I was thinking about your post and there is something about the hand to mouth action that becomes part of the habit. I would recommend you eat some hard candy. Not only does it have the same sensation but the candy is reassuring and it gets your mind off things. I agree with Bette. I would take it easy on yourself and taper slowly. With the volume of medication you took I would imagine you have built a significant tolerance. I don't want to be preachy but I'm really amazed and proud of how low of a dose you were induced on. Also I think going to meetings would be helpful just know you often get more back from the people you don't think you have something in common with. Be prepared for the group to be preachy on using subs to taper- the na way is fully abstinent but for me I knew I wouldn't be able to go cold turkey. I'd love to hear back from you. Godspeed!
    Hey there justfor! Congratulations on taking the first step to being clean! What an accomplishment! Be proud of that first step, its just the beginning! I am very happy for you!

    I am beyond happy to hear you are ready to be done with these nasty suckers. May I ask what dose you inducted with? What was your habit? If you dont mind sharing? Have you started your own thread? If so, I will follow it to support you alongside your journey to clean.

    As far as the hand to mouth, yes, a very bad habit, not to mention I smoke cigarettes, so that surely doesn't help the case there. But Id rather puff on cigarettes as the go to than pop more pills.

    Regarding the tolerance, your damn right my friend, its VERY high, we are talking a daily 1g-1.5g of hydrocodone. Honestly if I didn't stop when I did which is now 4 days clean from vics, I'd be dead soon. (Due to the nature of my background; sadly, I know all the consequences, not just with opioids, opiates, but the whole drugs.com library but chose to be ignorant to it and act like superman)

    As far as induction dose, I really believe I should've started at 6, but I couldn't bring myself to do it; I want to be a successful story for others who wish to get clean, not a horror story), not to mention I figured the hard part would be over in a few days and I could bite the bullet on 4mg daily for a few days. As of now I am glad to say I am stable! Dropping to 3mg tomorrow!!

    Regarding NA meetings, I fully support people in whichever direction they'd like to take; but unfortunately I do not have the time for them, but I did manage to get a once a week therapy session with a close friend whom I trust dearly. She will be the one to take over that part of the sub journey and be the lending ear I so greatly need to expel these horrible thoughts, feelings, etc out of my system once and for all. Look forward to hearing back from you, I will support you as much as I can and help you get through this. WE got this! Again, congratulations on taking the first step! God Bless

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    Quote Originally Posted by dsh12345 View Post
    Hey good luck to both of you.

    I started on subs exactly 32 days ago after being on an 200-300mg daily oxy and H habit. Today is my first day of 0.5mg dosing. The first 2 weeks I won't lie was rough not for physical symptoms, but for mental fatigue/lethargy/lack of motivation as my brain was adjusting to the subs I think. After that, I felt a lot better. Still feel pretty good right now, hopefully the next 4 days of 0.5mg go well. Hang in there guys.
    Hey DSH! How are you doing today? Congrats on 32 days sober!! Proud of you my friend! How do you feel on the full taper schedule so far? How do you feel at 0.5mg so far? Are you now dosing once a day or still twice?

    I agree with you, initially things are going to be rough, but we have the power to get past this, it's all in our head! I am day 4 now on 4mg and feel good! Tiny fatigue in the morning but within an hour after sub intake, I feel normal!

    Keep up the good work! I am following your thread as well; here to support you all the way! God Bless

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    Quote Originally Posted by hopingtobeclean View Post
    Hey DSH! How are you doing today? Congrats on 32 days sober!! Proud of you my friend! How do you feel on the full taper schedule so far? How do you feel at 0.5mg so far? Are you now dosing once a day or still twice?

    I agree with you, initially things are going to be rough, but we have the power to get past this, it's all in our head! I am day 4 now on 4mg and feel good! Tiny fatigue in the morning but within an hour after sub intake, I feel normal!

    Keep up the good work! I am following your thread as well; here to support you all the way! God Bless
    So, I will be completely honest. The first 2 weeks were no picnic. The physical symptoms disappeared instantly, but I had mental fatigue/severely poor mood, lethargy, lack of motivation, unable to get off the couch so tired. Getting out of the house for the first time like 2-3 days later to buy a pack of bottled water cuz I had to was a big victory for me. It seemed almost like subs teleported me to day 7 of CT.... during that period no acute WD symptoms, but it takes weeks to get your energy and mood back... Those first 2 weeks on subs.. the mental aspect... was horrible the fatigue/depression/lack of motivation. I would watch the clock all day just hoping and waiting for the day to be over so I could go to sleep so I could just cross that day off the list and move onto the next day hoping I would wake up feeling different and a little better. I remember one day.. it was so bad it was 9PM and I'm just like "Ok good enough, day is over, I'll just go to sleep." Don't think I've slept that early in a decade. Anyways, I woke up at 5am the next day after a full night of sleep, still dark outside, still as depressed/fatigued/tired as yesterday wondering to myself "holy >>>> its 5am I have a full day ahead of me, there's 1.5feet of snow outside, how the heck am I gonna fill all the time?"

    But anyways, like I said no physicla symptoms at least....I played around with my sub dose at the start for a little bit... think I took too much because I gave myself insomnia really bad... but that quickly resolved after 1-2 days when I dropped my dose quickly from 6 to 4 after just 2 days. I decided since I had at least no physical symptoms, and that too much sub gave me a problem, will just continue head with the taper and hope I feel better mentally later on.

    Somewhere around 2 weeks after being on subs, something changed and I turned a real corner mentally. Good energy, good motivation, woke up feeling excited about the day instead of dreading the day. That happened around the 1.5 to 2mg mark... where most ppl coincidentally say they felt the best during their taper and that less is more.

    Those good days have continued every since, now I am at 0.5mg for the first day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ROSES8 View Post
    Any help for someone who just started to quit pain pills today?
    Hey Rose! Welcome to the forum! Glad to see you here and ready to be clean. In order to offer you support and help; please start your own thread or your welcome to give us some history here. I dont Mind that you're on my thread, but burried posts here will not be seen by senior members who can also offer alot of support and help to get you through this tough time and your journey to clean! Look forward to your response...God bless!

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