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Kicking a 1.5 year Oxy habit in the coming days with Suboxone and supplements.
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    So the last few hours, which would be around 14 to 16 into this I guess, my first taste of WDs are present. Clammy, sweaty, kind of tightness and achey. It comes and it goes. I'd say it goes between a 2 and a 4 on my scale. If it stayed like this it would suck but be entirely possible. I feel almost exactly like I have a mild flu. I just took 600mg Gabapentin and a couple of Advils...why the hell not. I need to get this meeting over with and then I'm free.
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    Check in later. Doing great. You are on the same timetable as I was so far. No looking back now. You'e only hours away from having your last Day 1 in the books.

    Check in on you later.

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    Why do I get the feeling that having you pick me as your project is a HUGE benefit to me? Thanks so much Cat.

    Meeting is over. I'm already in the hotel room. I'm not sure if it's the gabapentin or what but I'm feeling a little better. It just started getting better about an hour ago and I'm not complaining. There were a couple of pretty bad moments there was I was thinking it's way to early in this to feel this bad. So, I feel decent, like a 3 or 4 and I can handle this. We'll see. I'm actually tired so I am going to shut my eyes and see what happens.

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    So glad that today went smoothly. It was the same way for me too. Absolutely shut your eyes and nap/sleep whenever you can. If you stay on track with my timeline, tonight shouldn't be too too bad. Beware it will likely hit tomorrow morning. The good news is what you feel half way through tomorrow shouldn't get much worse if at all. That was my Day 2. I didn't have the Gaba but it makes sense that it will help. The one symptom that I considered the worst is the RLS. Even if you can diminish that by half, you're ahead of the game. I could handle the sleeplessness if only I had been able to be still.

    If you can't sleep, don't try to force it. It won't help and it will just frustrate you. Find something to do. Read some threads. I did that and was amazed that I'd just spent hours reading and reading. Get outta that room and walk around. Doesn't matter how far or how long,just do it. It helps. Is there a pool and/or hot tub there? That would be awesome and I'd take full advantage of it. Water, especially hot water does wonders.

    Check in with you later.

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    Okay, I actually fell asleep for an hour. That was strange. I woke up really feeling it in my legs. Just needing to stretch them over and over and move them around. Yet, still, it seems that it can and must get much worse than this. Not that this doesn't suck, but it's too manageable. I think you are dead on right Cat and tomorrow it will hit me. At least I know what it's going to feel like. It takes away some anxiety knowing how it will be. I wish I could hurry it up and make it go faster and get it over with.

    This place does have a pool and spa. I can totally see how a spa would help with this general feeling. I'm going take advantage of that for sure! Hey, I thought you needed some time off and were gping to take care of me Cat!?

    I keep finding articles where people have attempted a switch to sub for only a few days like I originally planned. If they are being honest then it did work to help a few expereince much less WDs. Then there are some where it was a total failure. I don't know how I could induce anyway when I can't get past 10 on the COWS scale!

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    Hey,

    Thanks for checking in. I've been thinking about you. I was there and you were snoring so I just tucked you in a little bit and left. Glad you slept through it.

    OK. The COWS. That's the deal with it. NO. NO. NO comfort meds. Nothing. Absolutely nothing. No Immodium. No benzo. Nada. Zippo. Zilch. You took the Gaba and ??? All of those things will effect you and you won't know where you're at scoring. Don't look back now. Because of the Gaba and whatever else you may have taken, you wouldn't reach that 26 anytime soon.

    The need to stretch thing is the RLS. It's not painful. It's the itch your can't scratch kinda thing. The reason it's so awful is that you don't get much of a break with it. Sitting in a tub of hot water (jacuzzi even better!) will give you almost full relief but it comes back very soon after you're out. I spent a lot of time in the tub. Those heating pads set on low really helped me too.

    The subs. I've never tried them myself. I've read sooooo many threads about them and cheered from the sidelines. I'm not the brightest bulb, but it just makes sense to me that they would likely minimize your withdrawal symptoms but it also seems logical to me that it would be a bandaid and at some point, you'll have to deal with it. I suppose the way I view this is that if there was an easy way to detox, it would be very common knowledge. I've read endless threads and I've yet to see that anyone has found an easier way to get this done. Me included.

    The one experience I do have with subs wasn't me but it was up front and personal that I can speak to the outcome of a plan much like your original plan. My son is an active "H" addict. I know. My All American Family, right? Last year, he was detoxing here at my house. He was seeing an addiction specialist and getting clean so that he could get a Naltrexone implant. In this doctor's infinite wisdom, he prescribed him 3 days worth of sub. OK. What do we know. At that point, he was half way through his cold turkey from H. He, of course felt much better immediately. Three days on subs and he was sick as a dog, worse than the cold turkey from H for a solid 10 days. That is the basis of my advice. He wished he'd never have had that 3 day break. So not worth it.

    We need a new name for you. Not oxy. You're not that guy anymore. You shall be Cheyenne. Cheyenne, I have no ax to grind over this debate. We travel our own journey the best way we can. I made a gazillion mistakes on my way to getting to today. I found this Forum totally by accident looking for that easier way to detox. I'm still looking so that I can help others I don't need it for myself anymore and hope I never will. Someone and I can't even tell you who it was, said something to me or to someone else and it inspired me. I would have walked across red coals to get clean. I'll entertain you with a war story.

    "My guy" came knocking on my door late one night because he hadn't heard from me in a few days. Trying to look all concerned and me looking like I just crawled outta my coffin with my hair standing on end and wearing a nightgown. he said, "Are you OK? I haven't heard from you and you aren't answering your phone." My reply was, "I'm good. Thanks." and I shut the door. Then I went back to bed and I cried. I knew in that moment that if I did have to walk across red coals, bring it on! I hope you find that too.

    As awful as you feel now or will feel tomorrow just remember that there's an end game here. You will be past this by the weekend. You can do that. Chit. I had babies! You can do this. Right?

    Peace,

    Cat

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    Dammit, quit making so much sense!! Ugh. Yeah, I've taken gabapentin, 4 immodium and a couple of advil. That's it so far.I can see how, day after day after day of feeling this way can break a person down.

    For whatever reason, when I researched before, I came to the conclusion that this would be over by day 4. But now all I'm reading is how it's really day 6 or 7 before people are turning the corner. Yikes.

    Sorry to hear about your son. You sound like a great mother and it's great to hear that you all got clean.

    You have some good points about the Subs. But I do too!! It seems entirely possible to take a dose tonight and then cut that in half each day. BUT, after reading more I would go all the way down to .25 and then skip days and drag it out over even more days.

    So i would start at hopefully less than or at 4mg then 2mg then 1mg then .5mg then skip, then .25 then skip then .25 and then jump. Hmmmm. 8 days and I bet it would be relatively painless or at the very least much more comfortable. I could even work I bet. 8mg of Sub total. I could play with it and drag it out even more if need be. I guess, in other words, instead of the uber popular 6 week taper do it in as little time as possible to make it painful but much better. The only problem is when I finally jump will it be horrible. That's what everyone thinks, but why when it can be dragged out for as long as I need to within resaon and at a super low dose. I can't imagine a person could take less than say, 16mg total of Suboxone, spread out over 10 days or a little longer and still have major issues.

    Yep, super addict here trying to avoid pain and avoid paying the price for all the fun I've had the last year and a half. Don't even respond to this it's just a rambling rant. I'm restless and not looking forward to the next 5 days.

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    I can't argue (debate is a better word) your plan with any evidence except that which I have seen for son's adventure into subdom and the many folks here who tried what you are just itching to do. I'm not criticizing you one little bit. What you are doing now takes enormous determination and our inquisitive minds just keep trying to figure things out. It's just hard to accept that every means to the end has its pitfalls. Unfortunately, that's the way it goes and we just have to commit to a plan and see it through. Swapping things up is sort of what got us here. Yah know? Sometimes it's just time to do have a complete do-over.

    Cheyenne, I can't even tell you how many times I've survived cold turkey and the magic number of days has always been 5. Day 6 was a little sketchy but nothing compared to the previous days. Our ability to handle this is a combination of both our threshold for discomfort and wrapping our heads around it. The first step is acceptance and we move through the process from there. I don't know and I can't tell you what to do. I am keeping my fingers crossed that you can and will tough this out. To me, I'd rather feel really bad for a few days than so-so for weeks. But that's me and it's not fair to presume you can do the same thing. I think you can. I really do. I want you to believe you can too. This is absolutely, hands down the quickest way to the other side.

    My son. Thanks for the congrats but he has relapsed big time. He lives with me and is quite a mess. That's an update for another place. One of the many things I have learned these past 6 years is that I have to just do me.

    Keep checking in and I'll keep answering. Hey! Do you like your new name or what?

    Peace,

    Cat

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    I guess anything is better than Oxy. I didn't think that one through! But no, I don't really care for Cheyenne, sorry. You are very witty, I'm sure you will come up with something else!

    I haven't taken the Suboxone and still don't plan to take that route. It seems like Friday is a year away! Whatever, you know what? It's one week. One week in the middle of Janurary to feel like >>>>. I get the rest of the year to feel better.

    So the WDs seemed to have subsided again for the last hour or so. Not nearly as bad right now. Strange how it comes and goes like that. It's great though because it gives me small break to build up my mental strenght for what's coming. I just took 1mg klonipin in the hopes it makes me go to sleep.

    Thanks for looking out for me

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    when I started taking opaites daily my dose got up too 100mg of hydrocodone. Took about 8 months to build up to that dose and was on it close to 8 months. I was fairly new to opiates and didn't really know what I had gotten myself into. When I realized I was addicted I wanted to quit. So a friend gave me a couple subs and told me they would help. So there I went. I quit for 24 hours and started up on the sub. like you, only planning to use it for a week at most. So that night I crushed a small price and sniffed it. (How my friend did it because "the Medicen was so expensive and he used less this way") looking back it probably did help take away some symptoms but I didn't feel good. Two months later I'm still sniffing the sub twice a day. I realized I just traded one for the other and fell back on the loratabs.

    Different time a year or so later. I wanted to clean up and was going to learn from my last experience with sub. I got 1 from my friend. Only 1. I sniffed it again. Used a little over half of the pill over the next 5-6 days and threw it away. Again, I never felt normal but it helped me get through those days. After it was gone I had minor physical symptoms for the next few days. The mental stuff was there. Which is always the tough part for me. But I guess it worked somewhat. I relapsed two months later.

    Fast forward three years or so untill 39 days ago. I'm right where you are. Addicted to oxycodone. Typing on this board about my situation. This time I used no sub. Only the Thomas recipe, 2 Xanax and hot baths and tons of help from cat and a few others. It was hard, not impossible. Barely sleeping and my legs going nuts. But I did it, and I KNOW you can too. Out of all the times I've quit, this is the way I felt was best. I maned up, set my mind to it and did it.

    I don't know if my stories will help you but I wanted to share what I've experienced in the past. Like I said I know you can do it. It's hard I know. But it's worth it the grass is really greener over here.

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    OKc, thank you for the honest account. Man it just seems to me you had a fairly successful detox with the second time you tried the Subs. That would be very similar to what I would do, although I would be much more careful about how much I took and also would extend it out another 5 or 6 days with miniscule amounts to help the final jump.

    Do you mind sharing why if you had a fairly successful detox using subs you ended up going fill CT the last time and actually LIKED it more?

    I'm going to add right now that I feel pretty good. I mean I am strung out, but I've laughed a little and have been concentrating on a movie. I don't know. Not too shabby right now. I'm sure a train wreck is coming tomorrow. I'll deal with that if it happens.
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    Day 2 has officially begun. The first day was actually about what I expected or maybe a little bit harder at times. It sucks so far but it could be worse. I'm fairly comfortable and am hoping to get at least 3 or 4 hours of fitful sleep. If my mind would clear a little then it would be much easier. I'm very clouded, clumsy and just general dysphoria settled in today.

    I hope all you fine people who are helping me and others and these boards pat yourselves on the back for the work you do. It's amazing and we all appreciate the effort and the help. Thank you!

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    Oxy,

    Hey! Just caught up on your journal here. Did you say that you had a benzo to help you sleep? If I recall right you had a script of them and haven't really used them much before. If I were you, I would start those tonight. The first night I did, I was out cold. If you have the comfort meds why not take full advantage of it and then tough it out during the day. Which is so much easier when you can look forward to sleeping at night.

    I'm not sure if I was unique in the way the benzo helped me sleep but if you recall I didn't get my comfort meds until day 5. That might I took the Xanax (I was still in full WD's and they were at their worst then) and I slept for 9-10 hours straight. Didn't wake up once and do not recall even dreaming. I was new to Xanax, so I know that had something to do with it and my dosage was high. 1.5mg (I believe they were .5mg pills and I took 3 each night.). Are you able to take a dosage that would help 'knock' you out? Safely of course... The dose I took was prescribed by my doctor so I wasn't doing anything crazy, I swear ha-ha.

    Someone already said this suggestion but hot baths will relieve the rls almost 100%. Do not be afraid to redose the gaba when needed. It does help a lot.

    Also, please do not let others journals you read or even my experience i shared get to you. A lot of this is mental and you can easily talk yourself into a worse wd. The good thing is as you get each day behind you, you will feel that much stronger and that much closer to being done. By day 4, I felt like there was no way I could go back nno way. I had 4 days behind me and he'll, a couple more aren't that bad when put into perspective. Those who taper go through weeks of WD's and honestly, they aren't that much easier then what we go through ct. They have to deal with the RLS every single night and day as they cut their doae. Then talk themselves out of taking that extra dose 'just this one time because I'll be better tomorrow'. You know what I mean? I feel tapering takes more mentally then ct does and that's just my opinion.

    You are already feet deep and no looking back. You got this. Please don't touch the subs. I spent so many hours reading blogs during my withdraw that I read horror story after horror story about aubs being used for temporary use and then it turned bad. They regretted it and all their time they had prior to the subs and even during the subs were a waste essentially.

    I think you got this without the subs and with your comfort meds, you can do it. Are you making sure you are eating enough and drinking enough water? I think the water was all mental fornke too...but I seen it as a way to help flush out the narcotics in my system faster. So every time I finished a cup of water, I had a small amount of confidence. It's odd and of course all in my head but a lot of this is.

    You got this and will do just fine. Keep posting tonight if you can't sleep but hopefully you can use some meds to sleep.
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    Hi oxyblues,
    It has been 111 hours since my last 30 roxi. It hasn't been a fun time, but at some point today something changed and I began to feel better. This was my first relapse in 6 years and it lasted for about 120 days. I was involved in a car accident and had 5 shiny staples in my head and I looked like I lost a fight with Mike Tyson.

    So it begins.

    The ER doc wrote me a script for 60 5 mg percs. That was all it took. In no time I was calling old connects and back up to at least 150 mg of roxi a day.

    We all know the routines and mental gymnastics the we do to ourselves to justify our madness of addiction. I would skip a day here and there and not feel any dts for up to 48 hours so I kept telling myself that I could mess around just a little bit longer. The truth is, I was terrified of dts. All I could think of was my experience from my dt 6 years ago. At that time I was up to about 500 mg of roxi a day average. Some days it was over 900 some days only 300. During that first kick I went into a detox facility. I tried a few times to kick prior alone, to no avail. They kept me for six days and they used subs. The entire process was painless. There in lied the problem for me. It was too easy and I simply replaced drugs. I went back and forth between the two drugs for almost a year. I didn't really want it(sobriety). I had lost everything to that drug and I was headed to prison for 3 years. It was so much easier to stay numb while awaiting my sentencing date.
    I afforded my very large daily habit by committing script fraud hence the prison sentence.

    This go around i went CT. I did taper down for about 5 days. I lasted 2 days and relapsed. I was super disappointed in myself. I had to come to terms with the fact that this wasnt going to be easy. I had to think about my past and what this drug has cost me and my loved ones. I lost my house ,business, beautiful fiance, my whole life and identity. At the same time the fear of the pain from withdrawals scared the piss out of me. I knew that I didn't have a choice. I have been down this rabbit hole and I knew exactly where it leads. Did I really want to permanently board this crazy train to hell again or did I want my life back? I read posts on here daily. I can't say enough how much it helped and motivated me. So...this time, after the 2 day relapse ,I told my neighbor, who is a good friend, what I had been up to and what my plans were. Now I would be held accountable and have help if needed.

    So it's been 5 days roughly and I am already feeling better. Today around 3 this afternoon I just felt as if a haze had been lifted. It happened almost all of a sudden. Day 1 was a breeze. Nothing to deal with but cravings. Huge mental struggle for me. Day two started great but slowly began to deteriorate. I went and grabbed a couple zanax from a friend and picked up some immodium. I also grabbed some weed. I took 1 zanax and smoked. I had some sleep but not much. I can not express to everyone the benefits of hot baths. They are the only way that I could get any sleep at all and it hasn't been very much sleeping. I would soak in scolding hot baths. To the point of it being uncomfortable. I would do this for 20 to 30 min intervals. After soaking I would dry off quickly and jump straight in bed. That was the only time that the rls would stay away long enough to achieve sleep. I learned that technique from kicking subs. That for me was absolute hell. If I were you I would not use them. Day 3 I took another zanax. My last one. I only brought 2 on purpose. The bottom really fell out on the third day. My neighbor was a godsend. She would make me walk over to her house and talk and make me fix small things around her house. It was ugly. 15 minute projects were taking me 2 hours. I felt so drained but at the same time you can't sit still. It's absolutely maddening! The distractions helped tremendously.
    I'm no where near 100% but I think that I have plateaud. My symptoms are definitely subsiding.

    I have been having an extremely rough time with depression. It feels a little better today but not much. So today on one of my self forced outings I picked up SAM-e and St Johns wort. It's only been a few hours since I've taken them. I hope they help.
    It gets easier, I promise. Keep up the good work. I know that you can do this. And all that other good stuff. Take your life back by standing with conviction.

    P.S. You are amazing Cat.

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    Hey guys, thank you so much for sharing your stories. It is a HUGE help when you can read about others going through the same thing.

    So, I'm in day 2 and the biggest problem I have right now is that weird RLS feeling and funny thing is it's in my left arm. Just a little spot by my elbow on the inside. I took 600mg gabapentin and then one 2mg Klonipin and I was beat but could still feel the RLS so I took a hot bath. I feel asleep for a few minutes in the bath but it was uncomfortable so I dried off and jumped in bed thinking I would sleep like a baby. I tossed and turned for about 3 hours. I wish I had a video camera on my because I was in all sorts of crazy positions trying to find one that would make that little itch/tickle in my arm go away! Ugh, it wouldn't go away so now here I am, dead beat tired but feeling not too shabby.

    I'm thinking of taking some more gabapentin to try and knock that last bit of RLS out so I can sleep. To be honest, I'm sick of this already and don't know how the hell I will make it to day 5!!

    Thanks for the support as always...

    EDIT: Forgot to mention that I did not touch the subs. Even though I keep hearing stories about how, if done right, they make it a breeze!!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by oxyblues View Post
    Hey guys, thank you so much for sharing your stories. It is a HUGE help when you can read about others going through the same thing.

    So, I'm in day 2 and the biggest problem I have right now is that weird RLS feeling and funny thing is it's in my left arm. Just a little spot by my elbow on the inside. I took 600mg gabapentin and then one 2mg Klonipin and I was beat but could still feel the RLS so I took a hot bath. I feel asleep for a few minutes in the bath but it was uncomfortable so I dried off and jumped in bed thinking I would sleep like a baby. I tossed and turned for about 3 hours. I wish I had a video camera on my because I was in all sorts of crazy positions trying to find one that would make that little itch/tickle in my arm go away! Ugh, it wouldn't go away so now here I am, dead beat tired but feeling not too shabby.

    I'm thinking of taking some more gabapentin to try and knock that last bit of RLS out so I can sleep. To be honest, I'm sick of this already and don't know how the hell I will make it to day 5!!

    Thanks for the support as always...


    Oxy,

    You got this. I recall how annoying the RLS is. It usually bothers your hands or arms as well. You may not need to think of it like you have to get to day 5. If you're already feeting it like this now, who knows... Maybe you will peak on day 3 and get better each day.

    You're already in day 2. 2 days out of 5 is almost halfway done and that's if you even need 5 days. You got this!

    I wish the sleeping (benzos) meds helped you sleep more. I have never taken the one you had but I would much prefer xanax over that apparently. It doesn't sound like it has worked very well for you.
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    Hey,

    I wanted a quick check in before I have to get ready for work. If I can, I'll check again on you a bit later this morning but early this afternoon for sure.

    I see you had a wakeful night. Typical again. Now you know what I was talking about when I mentioned fighting with my bed. Not worth it. The ole saying "One day at a time"???? Now you are beginning to understand the importance of that. Don't think of the long haul. Get through today. You can always reconsider tomorrow. Rinse and repeat. You will be surprised how much that helps! When I was on my first couple of days, I was setting even smaller goals than that! 15 minutes. I can make it 15 minutes. I know you feel awful, but dealing with your whirling thoughts just adds to it.

    I'm glad I had a couple of the relief team filling in for me in the wee hours. Great Forum we got here.

    Let me think of your new name and I'll come up with something awesome. I'm just not calling you oxy.

    Peace,

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    Hey Oxy,

    Ok, straight to the point as I only have a few minutes before I head to a couple meetings at work….

    Your taking a drug (Gaba and Klonopin) to get OFF a drug. Does that make any kind of sense? No judgement as I too thought along the same lines by taking Kratom, pot, handfuls of benzo's, etc, etc, etc to help make me feel better. I was only delaying the inevitable. Theres absolutely no short cuts to this.

    As far the subs….if you do decide you want to try them, and again I say IF, then please use them correctly so you don't become another horror story, but instead one that has been successful. Your plan to reduce the dose by half just won't work 90% of the time. Some have success, but only a handful. Too big of reductions and it will eventually catch up with you. The ones that have the most success using subs take it slow and steady and reduce by 25% every 4 or so days. I know you know this, but it bears repeating.

    I've been on subs, and I help many in my personal life induct and taper from them. Those that try to mess with the taper to get off as fast as possible usually end up relapsing to their drug of choice or doing it correctly, but they've taken several days to a week or more to figure it out. I really hate to see you struggle IF subs are your choice.

    In this case I fully agree with Cat and say continue as you are because you are just about over the hump. Get through today first by getting through every hour, every 15 minutes as Cat said. Small goals is the key. Today and MAYBE tomorrow will be your worst. Then my friend you will be ok physically. Try not to sit around and watch the clock. Minutes seem like hours.

    You CAN do this….you really, really can!!!

    I'll check on you later today.

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    You asked why I would rather detox ct than to use subs for a few days. Subs took away a lot of the physical problems. The physical problems suck, but they're 10x easier than the mental and rls. And the mental will start as soon as you stop the sub. You won't sleep, your brain going crazy and legs can't sit still.

    This last time I decided I was done. I was so tired of pills. I wanted it gone asap and sub would only put a bandaid on it, I'd have to rip it off anyways so why wait. You're probably at the worst of it now and in two days you'll start feeling better. Why take the sub? Each night you don't sleep is one closer to getting good sleep. Don't drive yourself crazy trying too. Watch tv or read a book or something. It makes it worse laying in the dark squirming. Stay strong man. You can do this.
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    "It makes it worse laying in the dark squirming" Haha! Truer words have never been spoken, yet that is exactly what I did, like an idiot until 5 AM. It would have been hilarious to video me "fighting with my bed". I was all over the place throwing my legs this way and that with pillows flying! But then, guess what happened, I fell asleep!!! I slept from 5am to 9:30am and now that I'm awake I don't feel horrible at all. Just the flu type symptoms and I can totally deal.

    I did not take the Subs and honestly don't see the point at this stage in my detox. My plan was to take those at 24 hours. That ship has sailed and I made it without them. I only have 4 more days tops I hope and as good as I feel, maybe just 3 bad days and I'm out of the woods.

    Randy, come on man. I'm taking Gaba the most. It's non addictve from what I've read and it seems to be helping quite a bit. In fact, I think it's what finally calmed the RLS enough for me to sleep. The RLS seemed to be in my hands, arms and legs, well everywhere at around 3am and I took another 600mg Gaba and bam I'm out at 5am. Miracle drug if you ask me. Non habit forming and works. So no I don't feel bad at all about taking the Gaba and it won't be hard at all to stop in a couple days when the RLS has subsided. I think EVERYONE should have Gaba in their "tool box" while detoxing from this >>>>!

    Now the benzo, yep, that is a luxury I'm allowing myself and to be honest, it is a risk I'm taking so I see your point. Would you believe this whole time I've only taken 1 benzo pill? It was last night to try and induce sleep. It's klonopin and I picked that one on purpose because it has a fairly long half life. I took it at 8pm and I know it still helped me at 5am when xanax or ativan would have worn off already. So, I'll take that risk in the hopes it gets me to day 6 or 7 or whatever day is my magic day.I plan on taking it one pill once a night. I do understand the dangers of benzos, trust me. Thanks for the warning though.

    Okay, every 15 minutes it is! One day at a time. Already well into day 2!

    Come on Cat, you can't think of a better name?
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    Quote Originally Posted by oxyblues View Post
    Randy, come on man. I'm taking Gaba the most. It's non addictve from what I've read and it seems to be helping quite a bit. In fact, I think it's what finally calmed the RLS enough for me to sleep. The RLS seemed to be in my hands, arms and legs, well everywhere at around 3am and I took another 600mg Gaba and bam I'm out at 5am. Miracle drug if you ask me. Non habit forming and works. So no I don't feel bad at all about taking the Gaba and it won't be hard at all to stop in a couple days when the RLS has subsided. I think EVERYONE should have Gaba in their "tool box" while detoxing from this >>>>!


    The point I was trying to make, and clearly didn't do a very good job of it, was that taking "other" substances to get off our drug of choice often backfires. I've seen it many times, and of course had it hapen to me a huge amount of times. Yes, the Gabba is safe, but I know for a fact how taking just one benzo can turn into two and so on. You think an opiate addiciton is tough, you want no part of a benzo addiction I assure you. Nearly killed me. If you've only taken one that's great. I was just saying tto be very careful and don't let taking the Gabba and benzo's lead to other more serious substances. Should have said that in the first place and I apologize for not doing so. Hope you understand my point?

    Take care and all the best.

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    Randy,

    Sorry, I guess I jumped the gun a bit. I get what you are saying. I hate benzos. You guys think I'm some kind of saint and this is my first rodeo?! lol. Nope, Im an addict, years ago I fell into a nasty benzo habit. It was so bad (ativan) I had to use an extremely slow taper with valium to get over it. The weird thing is I don't even care for benzos. I get no joy from taking them. It was for sleep and it slowly got out of control before I knew how horrible they really are. But, I also know how well they work for certain problems. This is one of those problems in my opinion. I'm not going to take more than 1 a night. I went so far as to tell the doctor to only prescribe 10 so I wouldn't take them longer than needed. Anyway, the last thing I want is to be dependent on another drug after this. If I have a hard time stopping the kpins I will nip that in the bud very quickly. I appreciate your advice. Thanks!
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    I'm here! Sorry. Long day and just finishing up. Day 2 all but in the books. YAY. You are so right and I was so hoping that once you got through Day 1 and the better part of Day 2, that you would begin to see my (and other's) reasons for just going for it and to leave those subs alone. We don't like to see anyone suffer for nothing. Quite the contrary. We just try to lay out the facts that at first might sound harsh but in reality it's drawn from experience and knowledge. Both of which I wish I didn't have!!

    You are still following my timeline so I'm just going to guess that things won't get worse for you at this point. They stayed steady and then almost magically disappeared. I'm so proud of you and so glad that you took a leap of faith and trusted us. I l know how hard it is to do that. Perfect strangers and here I am taking their advice. Your story and experience is important for everyone believing that it's impossible to cold turkey from 200 mg/day of oxy. It can be done and you're doing it.

    A new name. Still thinking. I have to find one that will fit you. I have a couple in mind but not quite ready to share them yet. Are you always this particular? After all, A rose by any other name is still a rose.

    Peace,

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    Quote Originally Posted by Catrina View Post
    Your story and experience is important for everyone believing that it's impossible to cold turkey from 200 mg/day of oxy. It can be done and you're doing it.
    That had a profounf effect on me. It's funny because never in my wildest dreams did I think I would jump and go CT from 200mg a day (the truth is the last week was more like 230mg). If I thought I was going to CT I would have forced myself to taper for 8 weeks down to maybe 10mg hydrocodone! Nope, I had it all figured out. I would get to keep enjoying my little habit and then use the magic Suboxone 5 day taper to come down and off. You guys screwed that up!

    In about 5 hours the clock will have ticked on and day 3 will start.

    Here is how I feel. It feels almost EXACTLY like the flu. That kind of achey, sweaty flu that lasts a few days. Yep, that's it. But, two more symptoms than a flu. First, the RLS. The gabapentin is helping me a lot in that department, but I still have it and it causes the SECOND non flu symptom which is sleep is very, very hard to come by. I think I am extremely fortunate to be able to get 4 hours last night, even if it was technically in the morning. I don't care, I'll take it!

    So, I quit 200mg oxy CT and I have the flu with some restless legs to deal with so far (I'm also kind of spaced out, dizzy and clumsy). So far, this is NOT the worst thing I have ever experienced. Sorry, but no. It sucks for sure, but it's doable for sure too. Maybe it will get worse and afterwords I will say things like "I wished I was dead" or "I wouldn't wish that on my worst enemy". Nah. It just sucks.

    I will take the gabapentin this evening and the kpin, take a hot bath and then hope for the best with sleep. That's the plan. Oh, and I am seriously considering working out. How crazy would it be to work out with a horrible flu and rls crawling all over?? I think I'm going to find out!
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    Yes, Cat, I am always this particular! lol Hmm. Let's see. How about simply Walter or Walt??

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    I'm loving your attitude right now. Funny (not the haha kind) that we discover that it's really the anticipation of embarking on a cold turkey that kills it for us every time. We get ourselves so worked up a afraid that we keep delaying that Day 1. No. It's no fun but it is doable. More importantly, you won't beat yourself up when you're done. Will you feel like a million bucks. Probably not so much but you will feel better and this will be behind you. Let the healing begin.

    We'll talk more about the aftermath of this when the time comes. For now, just know that you will feel much, much better both physically and most especially mentally. Not being a slave to those little buggers is really liberating. You'll come out the other side of Day 5 feeling like you've just gotten over the flu. Weak.

    Go work out!! It will help tremendously and the more tired you can make yourself, the more likely it will be for you to catch some zzzz's. Take it whenever you can. You don't have to be anywhere and don't have to worry about it interfering with your sleep tonight. Sorry that was cruel. Really. Take it whenever you can get it. Thinking that if you nap, it will make for a worse night just isn't true. This is hard work.

    I'll check in again later. I'm still working on that name.

    Peace,

    Cat

    PS That spacey feeling is likely the Gaba. It makes me a little loopy. Go figure.
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    Hey blues,
    It's awesome that you're hanging tough like the new kids on the block! Ha 80s reference. I have made it through day 6!!!
    I still am feeling rough around the edges but it is nothing compared to 2 days ago. All I can say is that I promise you that there IS!!! IS!!! IS!!! a light at the end of the tunnel. The working out idea is great. It helped me. I only did push ups and simple body squats. It helped me channel the anxiety and rls, more like restless body syndrome. I did go a little overboard I think with the squats. I was trying to burn the rls out of them. Not smart. So if you do work out take it very light. Just walking around the block helps and it's a distraction. I'm super proud of you. Keep it up!!
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    Oxy,

    Glad you are doing 'okay'. Honestly, I do not think it gets worse necessarily then what you are experiencing. You had the night of rest that I had on day 4. So good news is that I just am weird and mine stretched out slightly different and wasn't horrible until a little late. I recall tossing and turning and being so annoyed with my bed I wanted to scream. It was horrible LOL.. Mentally that is. So that's your day 2 and you already were there. That's good news.

    I would say that it just feels worse once you peak (which is kind of what it sounds like you're at) because the lack of sleep will mess with you mentally and physically. It doesn't actually get more painful or anything. Just like cat said, it should just stay the same and then literally before you even realize it, the RLS is gone. You won't believe it at first and you'll be all paranoid thinking your mind is playing tricks on you but its not. It will just disappear and you will be so happy and glad that you stopped cold turkey instead of using the subs or tapering for 8 weeks and being miserable in small quantities for 8 weeks as opposed to 3-4 days in a slightly larger quantity.

    How much gabo are you using at each dose? Also, i know you're being careful with the benzo because of your past but if he only prescribed 10 and you have no intention of using it further then these next couple nights, is there a reason you aren't taken a higher dose to try to help you sleep more? I will probably get some type of backlash on that last sentence but I'm just thinking about me when I finally got the Xanax. I had no prior experience with them nor did I have any desire of ever abusing it. I had a full bottle of them and even flushed the rest after those few nights BUT I took 3 each night to knock me out. When I tried just taking the 1, it helped a little to help me drowsy but the RLS was still too much. So I took two more and bam! Woke up 8-10 hours later. I just am thinking I could have suffered the rest of that night with the 1 but wasn't it better not to and have a restful sleep? I hope I'm making sense without encouraging you to do something that isn't right or good for you. You know your history and you know what you can and cannot handle as far as stopping so I'm sure you got this under control.

    Post often tonight. You will want to read back on it later on. Even if you want to post nothing but complaints go for it. :-)
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    Hey Oxy
    Proud of you, and listening to Randy and Cat's advice is the best place to put your trust right now. They've been where you're at but u have yet to be where they're at... But you certainly will and as Cat points out, your experiences will be a guidepost for others trying to quit the pills.
    Light the way!
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    Hello All,

    Cat...so, so true. The anticipation and fear of starting the whole process and just the thought of jumping cold turkey is so much worse than the reality of how it will actually be. Let's be honest. It's a bad flu (with small periods where it's a not so bad flu), something we've all had and dealt with before, even non addicts. Plus the RLS, but it's not like the RLS is electricity flowing through every part of your body zapping you painfully. It's more mild BUT it just KEEPS on annoying you for so long that you can't take it. It just doesn't stop which is where the Gabapentin has been my savior. I take a dose of that and it reduces it by about 75% for a good 5 hours and if I took a bigger dose I'm sure it would knock it out entirely. I know it's working because as the dose wears off the RLS comes back.

    Oxy...You know what's funny. I pulled my hurting butt out of bed and did body squats and lunges. You know why? I was trying to punish my legs to get the dang RLS to go away (it worked for about 20 minutes) just like you did haha! I also did some jumping jacks and some push ups. Just about killed me and it was only about 10 minutes, but it's a start!

    Smith...I've been taking 600mg doses of Gabapentin 2 times daily. It has worked wonders on the RLS and probably other symptoms. I recommend it to everyone going through this and hope they experience the same. Now, it's not like it gets rid of WDs or anything. It still sucks, but it makes it a little better and sometimes that means a lot. The last two night I also took 1 2mg Klonopin. I totally get what you are saying and to be honest I might up it to 3mg the next night because I slept just okay again with some tossing and turning. I've been very careful with it because of my past experience with benzos. But knowing I won't be taking it long I should use it so it's effective. 3mg kpin isn't going to hurt me.

    I'm smack dab in the middle of day 3 now! Here's the crazy part and it's almost scaring me. I woke up at 3:30am after getting 5 hours of okay sleep and I feel really good. RLS and a lot of flu is gone. WTF?? One of you said, I think Smith, that I would wake up one morning and it would be gone and I would be paranoid it isn't true! Yep. I can't imagine it won't come roaring back. It's day 3 so it can't be getting better already. Can't be! I'm sitting here bracing for it to come. Don't get me wrong. It's here, but like reduced by 75%!

    I'll keep everyone updated, thanks so much for helping me!!!!!
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