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    I'm 21 and unfortunately have been through hell and back...

    To briefly sum, I was in the hospital for several months on scheduled morphine and finally sent home on refillable prescriptions of oxycodone till my surgeries were all finished and pain medication was no longer needed. Unfortunately, being 21 and gullible, I had no clue what I was getting myself into. When it came time to get off oxycodone, surprise surprise, I could not! My specialist wrote me one final script and said good luck! Yikes.

    I think most of us know not everyone is capable of kicking these demons that quickly! Unfortunately, I couldn't kick them either. After much struggling, my primary doctor was my savior! He has helped me through all of it. From butrans, down to tramadol. I'm still tapering off tramadol, but struggling to finally kick it completely due to the withdrawals.

    Everyone hates withdrawals, and everyone handles them differently. Unfortunately, I CANNOT handle all the symptoms that come with it while studying for exams in college. I'm never able to last longer than 2 days and my grades suffer during those attempts. However, I've become so fed up of relying on tramadol to live normal every day!

    I've stopped taking my tramadol, and after starting withdrawals have been taking Kratom to mask the withdrawl affects. It's been a complete wonder "drug" for me! I understand I need to be careful otherwise i'll get addicted to Kratom as well and simply be trading one issues for another.. but i'm hoping i'll only need the Kratom periodically for the first 3-5 days off Tramadol to avoid the hardest withdrawal symptoms. Kratom has gave me a boost in energy and relief while not taking the Tramadol. With careful attention to addiction, i'm hoping this will be my answer to finally kicking opiates/opiods completely!

    If you guys have any further suggestions or questions i'd love and appreciate to hear them! Everyone works differently, but we're all fighting the same battle. I'm crossing fingers this is my trunk card that can help me and potentially others down the road desperately looking for help to kick their addictions!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dylberts View Post
    I'm 21 and unfortunately have been through hell and back...

    To briefly sum, I was in the hospital for several months on scheduled morphine and finally sent home on refillable prescriptions of oxycodone till my surgeries were all finished and pain medication was no longer needed. Unfortunately, being 21 and gullible, I had no clue what I was getting myself into. When it came time to get off oxycodone, surprise surprise, I could not! My specialist wrote me one final script and said good luck! Yikes.

    I think most of us know not everyone is capable of kicking these demons that quickly! Unfortunately, I couldn't kick them either. After much struggling, my primary doctor was my savior! He has helped me through all of it. From butrans, down to tramadol. I'm still tapering off tramadol, but struggling to finally kick it completely due to the withdrawals.

    Everyone hates withdrawals, and everyone handles them differently. Unfortunately, I CANNOT handle all the symptoms that come with it while studying for exams in college. I'm never able to last longer than 2 days and my grades suffer during those attempts. However, I've become so fed up of relying on tramadol to live normal every day!

    I've stopped taking my tramadol, and after starting withdrawals have been taking Kratom to mask the withdrawl affects. It's been a complete wonder "drug" for me! I understand I need to be careful otherwise i'll get addicted to Kratom as well and simply be trading one issues for another.. but i'm hoping i'll only need the Kratom periodically for the first 3-5 days off Tramadol to avoid the hardest withdrawal symptoms. Kratom has gave me a boost in energy and relief while not taking the Tramadol. With careful attention to addiction, i'm hoping this will be my answer to finally kicking opiates/opiods completely!

    If you guys have any further suggestions or questions i'd love and appreciate to hear them! Everyone works differently, but we're all fighting the same battle. I'm crossing fingers this is my trunk card that can help me and potentially others down the road desperately looking for help to kick their addictions!
    I must warn you to be extremely careful messing around with kratom! Kratom is an addictive substance, you do not want to trade one addiction for another!

    Read through the following threads for more insight on some of the risks and problems associated with Kratom use -

    https://www.drugs.com/forum/need-tal...wal-64858.html

    https://www.drugs.com/illicit/kratom.html

    Best of luck to you... God bless us all!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dylberts View Post
    I'm 21 and unfortunately have been through hell and back...

    To briefly sum, I was in the hospital for several months on scheduled morphine and finally sent home on refillable prescriptions of oxycodone till my surgeries were all finished and pain medication was no longer needed. Unfortunately, being 21 and gullible, I had no clue what I was getting myself into. When it came time to get off oxycodone, surprise surprise, I could not! My specialist wrote me one final script and said good luck! Yikes.

    I think most of us know not everyone is capable of kicking these demons that quickly! Unfortunately, I couldn't kick them either. After much struggling, my primary doctor was my savior! He has helped me through all of it. From butrans, down to tramadol. I'm still tapering off tramadol, but struggling to finally kick it completely due to the withdrawals.

    Everyone hates withdrawals, and everyone handles them differently. Unfortunately, I CANNOT handle all the symptoms that come with it while studying for exams in college. I'm never able to last longer than 2 days and my grades suffer during those attempts. However, I've become so fed up of relying on tramadol to live normal every day!

    I've stopped taking my tramadol, and after starting withdrawals have been taking Kratom to mask the withdrawl affects. It's been a complete wonder "drug" for me! I understand I need to be careful otherwise i'll get addicted to Kratom as well and simply be trading one issues for another.. but i'm hoping i'll only need the Kratom periodically for the first 3-5 days off Tramadol to avoid the hardest withdrawal symptoms. Kratom has gave me a boost in energy and relief while not taking the Tramadol. With careful attention to addiction, i'm hoping this will be my answer to finally kicking opiates/opiods completely!

    If you guys have any further suggestions or questions i'd love and appreciate to hear them! Everyone works differently, but we're all fighting the same battle. I'm crossing fingers this is my trunk card that can help me and potentially others down the road desperately looking for help to kick their addictions!

    I just want to say I absolutely am against Kratom.


    I have read hundreds of stories of ppl exactly like yours which say Kratom is a "miracle" or a "wonder drug" but literally 100% of the stories are all the same in that at the time of writing that stuff the person..... is still on Kratom.
    They weren't speaking from a place where they had used Kratom to wean themselves off opiates and then got off Kratom easily and were completely substance free.


    Kratom has something in it that acts on the mu-opioid receptor. That is the receptor where the opiate class of drugs does the vast majority of their work and action.


    So, you are just trading one mu-receptor activating drug or another. Stopping either opiates or Kratom causes not enough opiate receptor activation - and you get the same WD symptoms no matter what. The only benefit is that Kratom isn't an opiate by name (but it does very very similar basically the same thing as opiates). Again, this is just semantics. You are taking something that does the same thign as opiates, but just happens to go by a different name.


    You are taking Kratom to take the opiate withdrawal away.... but what will happen right now if you stop the Kratom immediately? You will go through the exact same withdrawal symptoms as if you had been on pills all this time nad stopped suddenly. This story always ends up the same way. Initial euphoria that they found something to replace their opiate habit, and then more euphoria when they realize Kratom gives them the same similar kind of opiate euphoria... and then the crushing realization they are stuck on Kratom all the same with the same WD symptoms if they stop as if it might as well have been an opiate.



    Kratom is giving you relief from tramadol taper because it is basically stronger than tramadol in its opiate-like effects. When you take Kratom to replace tramadol, you are going backwards in your taper progress.


    There is no free lunch. There is no magic answer. A taper is rough. Everyone has to pay the piper at some point. If not, these message boards would all be gone and nobody would be around here looking for answers because we already found the magic miracle cure.
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    Of course when Kratom is abused for euphoria it's going to lead to further problems, as i've already stated. Minor problems in comparrison, but not problems when not even abused. I'm not sure what articles you've read, but the ones i've read and watched have and did get them finally off their taper regimines as well as Kratom with ease.

    I appreciate your concerns, but lets not just jump to the negative assumptions. There is an answer to everything and I believe Kratom has been extremely beneficial in this process.

    I'll be happy to share my final results in a few days when the "piper" was paid through negoiatingly cheaper prices.
    Stay positive and supportive my friends!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dylberts View Post
    Of course when Kratom is abused for euphoria it's going to lead to further problems, as i've already stated. Minor problems in comparrison, but not problems when not even abused. I'm not sure what articles you've read, but the ones i've read and watched have and did get them finally off their taper regimines as well as Kratom with ease.

    I appreciate your concerns, but lets not just jump to the negative assumptions. There is an answer to everything and I believe Kratom has been extremely beneficial in this process.

    I'll be happy to share my final results in a few days when the "piper" was paid through negoiatingly cheaper prices.
    Stay positive and supportive my friends!


    Yes we should be positive.... but not to the extent that I just blindly support information that I believe other ppl could read and do harm to themselves.


    The tramadol taper was rough, so you used Kratom to replace the energy and the bad feelings of the taper. That's in my mind no different than just saying "well the tramadol taper is rough, so I used vicodin to get some relief from those symptoms". It's not a victory, it's just continuing the cycle you are trying to get out of.

    Every second that passes where you feel uncomfortable from your brain not getting enough opiates, healing occurs as your brain slowly gets used to only getting what its been getting in order to get by (whether that be no substances, or a smaller dose of substances, etc). Every second that passes by where you take a substance and feel good - get energy or euphoria or feel normal to escape WD symptoms.... your brain is training itself to get used to feeling normal on that dose - aka building tolerance, aka getting away from a point where your brain can feel comfortable on its own with no substances.


    Kratom is propping you up from your tramadol WD symptoms by acting the same way opiates does - mu receptor activation. So, to me it's basically saying "I successfully took opiates to treat symptoms I got from not getting enough opiates". Again, you are mentally excited about the fact that you found something that's not named an "opiate" to treat your problem of not getting enough opiates, but deep inside your brain lies the truth in that Kratom is doing the same thing opiates are doing.


    Each second of relief you got from taking kratom, is one more second you have to pay down the line when you eventually quit everything.

    I know your habit came suddenly and unexpectedly, and your supply got cut off suddenly and unexpectedly not per your desired schedule, as it occurred during a time when you have to be at your 100% - during school. So, if you have too many life issues going on right now (aka school) in order to get off substances properly, then you basically are not ready to get off substances yet. There's no problem with anyone admitting that to themselves and there shouldn't be. They should not be judged for coming to that conclusion either. The biggest mental hurdle is acknowledging the problem - which clear your have. Putting in the time and work to get to the ultimate solution - off the substances - might have to be delayed due to life issues, that's fine. The taper is being forced on you due to your supply running out after a sudden unexpected life event(going to the hospital right), and you have circumvented that taper with Kratom. However, that could very well be the solution for you. If Kratom delays things and makes you feel 100% to the point where you can finish school (college is over in one month right?) and get to a point where you have enough free time to properly finish a taper and get off opiates without ruining your grades, then yes in that respect Kratom can be seen as an answer and a solution, but make no mistake each second of time you circumvent your brain's displeasure from tramadol withdrawal with kratom is another second you will have to repay down the line at some point as your brain undoes the opioid receptor tolerance it builds from each kratom use.
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    Day 5, after several days using just Kratom. I have now stopped taking the Kratom and experience only minor headaches and no Tramadol withdrawals.
    I'll keep you updated on this!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dylberts View Post
    Day 5, after several days using just Kratom. I have now stopped taking the Kratom and experience only minor headaches and no Tramadol withdrawals.
    I'll keep you updated on this!

    Hey buddy, hang in there. Rooting for you. Knowledge is power, everyone's story is helpful in that it gives another account of a certain path someone out there took so for all the other ppl struggling out there, they can add your story and your route you took to their knowledge bank and help themselves make an informed decision on what they themselves want to do.


    Can you give a bit more detail about your timeline? You say Day 5, but day 5 of what? Can you go back and give like a little timeline of how long and how much opiate use there was, and then what the doctor's tramadol taper plan was, and how long you have been off the tramadol and off kratom? I think it would be helpful for the ppl out there, just a general outline.


    Tramadol is not really an opiate, it's like a half opiate but still with much addictive potential. My guess is that the tramadol taper wasn't so rough as much as the switch itself from full opiates to tramadol was. Tramadol can never give you what the full opiates were giving you no matter what dose you take. That being said, achieving a state of being comfortable on tramadol woulda been a huge victory, as getting off tramadol is much easier and more pleasant than getting off a full opiate for most cases. Hopefully, your jump from the kratom goes well and won't be a like a full out acute WD.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dsh12345 View Post
    Hey buddy, hang in there. Rooting for you. Knowledge is power, everyone's story is helpful in that it gives another account of a certain path someone out there took so for all the other ppl struggling out there, they can add your story and your route you took to their knowledge bank and help themselves make an informed decision on what they themselves want to do.


    Can you give a bit more detail about your timeline? You say Day 5, but day 5 of what? Can you go back and give like a little timeline of how long and how much opiate use there was, and then what the doctor's tramadol taper plan was, and how long you have been off the tramadol and off kratom? I think it would be helpful for the ppl out there, just a general outline.


    Tramadol is not really an opiate, it's like a half opiate but still with much addictive potential. My guess is that the tramadol taper wasn't so rough as much as the switch itself from full opiates to tramadol was. Tramadol can never give you what the full opiates were giving you no matter what dose you take. That being said, achieving a state of being comfortable on tramadol woulda been a huge victory, as getting off tramadol is much easier and more pleasant than getting off a full opiate for most cases. Hopefully, your jump from the kratom goes well and won't be a like a full out acute WD.
    dsh, tramadol can certainly keep opiate withdrawal at bay! Unfortunately people do abuse tramadol and depending on the ROA can achieve a pretty big high with euphoric effects. Tramadol is a pretty nasty med to withdrawal from in itself, the detox from tramadol can be much worse than detoxing straight from an opiate like oxy! When you detox from tramadol it is like quitting two meds at once. Tramadol has an opiate effect and an antidepressant effect, not only will you have the normal detox symptoms associated with opiate withdrawal but you'll will also have debilitating mental withdrawals like severe anxiety and depression? Tramadol should be slowly tapered as there is a risk for seizures, sometimes an anti-seizure med is prescribed when coming off tramadol? Of course this is all relative to the amount you take and for how long? All this being said, tramadol can be just as bad and in most cases worse to come off than a straight opiate!

    Dylberts, like dsh has already mentioned, an accurate time-line of all the meds with dosages would definitely be extremely beneficial and would help everyone that reads your thread understand everything that you went through? Wishing you all the best! Take care... God bless us all!

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    Luckily you have caught all of this now while you are still young! Don't ever think in the future that you can take a pill here and there and be able to control it cause it doesn't work that way, that's how many, many relapses start! Always remember - One pill is too many and a thousand pills will never be enough!

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    I would agree with dsh. You will be out of school in a month or so. I'd go home and be honest with the folks and see if you can get some support there. I was in school the first time I got clean- it was the best thing for me. I moved back home, got my grades back up and transferred schools. I wouldn't be where I am today with my job if I hadn't done that. But I relapsed due to severe back pain and am getting clean round 2. I know you can do this! I would be really careful with Kratom. I personally think it is addictive and is very similar to opiates so you might end up with a worse addiction. That being said- I heard that tramadol is no picnic either. I would stick to the FDA regulated stuff and make a plan to get clean over the summer. There also may be some support groups on campus?

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    In my opinion, Everyone is different. Kratom is an addictive substance to some, I still use Kratom to curve cravings. Im 3 weeks opiate free. I have no issues stopping kratom, (haven't used none in a week now) it really doesn't do much for me to be honest. I felt euphoria once from kratom. Other than that it just makes me sit down and relax. I've also used tramadal to taper off oxy. But that didn't last long. (I just wasn't ready) I did a quick taper and jumped CT. I didn't use kratom during my acute stage but I can very well see how it can work. You should consider what everyone is saying, the good and the bad so you know what your up against. That's how I believe a lot of us ended up on opiates because we just didn't know what they could do to us. If you are going to continue on the Kratom route, just respect it and be careful!

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