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    Hi, I'm Qway and I just found the site after searching for a safe way to quit taking my pain pills. I am 43, and I am on 5 methadones and 2 oxycotins everyday.
    I've been thinking about quitting for a long time, but every time I try, I get discouraged and I cant handle the withdraw symptoms. I've been taking narcotics for over 10 years, and I'm scared that I won't be able to do it. I've asked for some kind of help with the withdraws from my pain management specialist, but he was against it. (Of course, I pay his bills)
    I've just had enough. I am ready to quit, but I'm scared I don't have what it takes, I have a heavy addiction tendency.
    I am grateful to have found this site with all teh suggestions, I hope this time I can make it.
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    Oh yeah.... I feel really welcome here....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Qwaychou View Post
    Oh yeah.... I feel really welcome here....
    Be patient my friend. Help and advice will come along soon, sometimes it takes a couple of days? It's especially slow on the weekends! There are only a few members here that I know of that have experience with methadone and I'm not one of them. I'm sure Randy and/or Bette will be by to give you advice on how to properly come off the methadone, don't get discouraged and keep checking back for replies?

    What's the milligrams of the methadone and oxy you are taking? Are you familiar with the Thomas Recipe for opiate withdrawal? Once you get through the acute phase of detox you'll need to think about the long-term? Drug addiction counseling, AA/NA meetings, etc...? Hang in there, great people with great advice will be by soon enough! I wish you well... God bless us all!

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    Here's a link to the Thomas Recipe - https://www.drugs.com/forum/featured...wal-35169.html
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    Thank you Ricky for extending a welcome, I appreciate it. I'm sorry that I was impatient, I was just seeing other people getting posts on thier new threads.
    I take 10 mg methadone 5 times a day and Oxycodone 15 mg twice a day.
    The first thing I read on this site was the Thomas recipe and I hope it helps me too. I have gotten a lot of hope from reading peoples journeys and trials, and I hope I can do as well. I am very scared of withdrawls. I called my reg doctor and told her that I wanted to quit, not my pain management specialt, but my reg physician,She said that I shoudl take TWO YEARS to taper down! I can't do this for two more years.
    I'm really scared I won't be able to do this, people who I thought would be delighted by my initiaive are just not as supportive as I'd thought. Thank you Ricky for reaching out to me, I hope I get the support here that I need and have seen given to others.
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    Hello Away and welcome to the forum. I just typed out a long post and it disappeared so here I go again.. I to was on 10-15 10mg of methadone and 10-15mg of diluads A Day. I to was afraid of the wds but knew if I kept using it was a Dead end for me. After 30+ years of abusing opiates I had enough.. I can now say I didn't die through the wd's it was definitely hard, but I was stronger than that little pill calling out to me. I pushed through the pain and came out the other side free and clean.. I agree with Ricky, Randy,Bette have a lot more experience with tapering of methadone than me,but want to share it's possible..Hang in there you will get responses soon. Be well in whatever choice you make. Keep reading and posting as it helps...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Qwaychou View Post
    Thank you Ricky for extending a welcome, I appreciate it. I'm sorry that I was impatient, I was just seeing other people getting posts on thier new threads.
    I take 10 mg methadone 5 times a day and Oxycodone 15 mg twice a day.
    The first thing I read on this site was the Thomas recipe and I hope it helps me too. I have gotten a lot of hope from reading peoples journeys and trials, and I hope I can do as well. I am very scared of withdrawls. I called my reg doctor and told her that I wanted to quit, not my pain management specialt, but my reg physician,She said that I shoudl take TWO YEARS to taper down! I can't do this for two more years.
    I'm really scared I won't be able to do this, people who I thought would be delighted by my initiaive are just not as supportive as I'd thought. Thank you Ricky for reaching out to me, I hope I get the support here that I need and have seen given to others.

    Hello Qway -

    As Ricky mentioned the weekends are especially slow around here. I'm sure you will receive many responses of help and support during the weekdays, just not as often on the weekends. Patience is your friend!

    Ok, you're taking 50mgs of methadone a day, plus the oxy. Not too bad. It won't take you 2 years to taper off, but it will take a while if you want to avoid any harsh wd symptoms. I've been there and no what it takes to get off. If you can follow a simple plan you can too. One of the best ways off at your current dose is to reduce your dose by around 5% every 4-7 days.

    So 5% from 50mgs would make your next dose 47.5mg. Remain on that dose for approximately 4-7 days and reduce again by 5% which would make that dose 45.125mg. You can round it off and make it 45mg if you want. The goal is to be stable on each dose before reducing further. Might take 4 days on one dose and 5+ days on another. Once you feel stable with little or no wd's then it's ok to reduce further. If you reduce while having wd symptoms those symptoms will follow you down the rest of the taper. Not what you want happening.

    As you can see this will be a slow process and take some time to get down to zero, but definitely no where near 2 years. That's one way to do this Qway. The other way, and the way I decided to go was to get my methadone dose down and make the switch to. Suboxone, then taper off that. It's much easier to taper the subs than it is the methadone.

    You can make the switch at any dose of methadone, but the lower the better. What you would be doing is completely stop the methadone, take nothing that would make you feel better, and allow wd's to set in. Once your wd's get severe enough you can then begin taking the sub. It's no fun being in wd's waiting to induct on the subs, but if you do it right it only needs to be done once.

    I can certainly walk you through the entire induction process on subs, done it many, many times if you want my help. Think it over and decide what you want to do. If you decide to taper the methadone down you'll have to treat the wd's as they pop up. The Thomas Recipe is great as Ricky mentioned. Theres many other vitamins and supplemetns that can aslo help.

    Let me know what you think?

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    Thank you Randy and Lvg nightmare,
    I was hoping for something a bit faster than a slow taper, I think I can handle some wds, scared of them yes, but have been through some before. I used to be on fentanyls and would withdraw severely from those almost every month. I used to think I had seizures, but describing them to my pain specialst, he said they were just severe RLS, I would lay on my bed, teeth clenched and thrash my arms and legs, I had no conrtol over it.
    I have already cut down from 5 methadones and 2 oxy, to just three methadones. and I have only expericed some sniffing, sweats and a littel antsy-ness. Not too bad.
    I read someone on here who went through methadone detox in just a few weeks and she didn't have very severe WD at all. Maybe I am like that?
    Thank you again, all three of you. I am sorry I was impatient.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Qwaychou View Post
    Thank you Randy and Lvg nightmare,
    I was hoping for something a bit faster than a slow taper, I think I can handle some wds, scared of them yes, but have been through some before. I used to be on fentanyls and would withdraw severely from those almost every month. I used to think I had seizures, but describing them to my pain specialst, he said they were just severe RLS, I would lay on my bed, teeth clenched and thrash my arms and legs, I had no conrtol over it.
    I have already cut down from 5 methadones and 2 oxy, to just three methadones. and I have only expericed some sniffing, sweats and a littel antsy-ness. Not too bad.
    I read someone on here who went through methadone detox in just a few weeks and she didn't have very severe WD at all. Maybe I am like that?
    Thank you again, all three of you. I am sorry I was impatient.

    The thing is that methadone has a very long half life so it remains in your system quite a while. As you drop your dose you'll feel ok at first. Then that half life catches up with you and bam, wd's hit hard and frequent. You can't beat the process, that's just the way it is.

    Try it and see how it goes. If you find you just can't handle the symptoms then you might try something else.

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    Yes, Randy I knwo you are right. I am really bad with math and formula, but I will try what you suggest, I have some of the thinsg from Thomas recipe already, the potassium and other vites, I had stomach surgery and I can't absorb vites well, so I have lots of prescription vites. So, maybe I will just cut down a pill every four or five days? would that work? I know I might not be able to withstand the WD, if I could I would be off these things years ago, right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Qwaychou View Post
    Yes, Randy I knwo you are right. I am really bad with math and formula, but I will try what you suggest, I have some of the thinsg from Thomas recipe already, the potassium and other vites, I had stomach surgery and I can't absorb vites well, so I have lots of prescription vites. So, maybe I will just cut down a pill every four or five days? would that work? I know I might not be able to withstand the WD, if I could I would be off these things years ago, right?

    I guess it boils down down to whether you want off quickly and are able to handle the rough wd's you'll be experiencing, or taper slow and steady and feel so much better. Either way isn't easy and it's not suppose to be. Getting off strong drugs is never an easy thing to do. You have to REALLY want it bad to have success.

    You're dealing with both the methadone and the oxy. Getting off one is bad enough. You might consider just stopping the oxy. The methadone should make up the difference if you know what I mean?

    And getting clean is only half the battle, remaining clean takes the most work. I'll have 3 years clean in July and I owe it all to my NA and AA meetings of support. Ricky mentioned it to you in his post. Those meetings of face to face support are priceless! Just think about it.

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    You need to cut that dose in half....stay at that for awhile...then cut every 4/5 days like 10 %....it all depends how much will power and determanation to get clean....i used opiates over 15 yrs...non stop daily...i quit cold turkey at 60 mg ...im starting month 5 and still get anxiety here and there daily...but it beats being a slave to the pills....every body withdraws dif. So its hard to say how long b4 its better....but its not a quick fix...we didnt get here over nite and its gonna take awhile to balance out our bodies...the longer you use the longer the w.d will be....get out now, you wont regret it....

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    I thank you for your reply. I am trying to cut teh dose in half and its day 2 and so far, nothing, but I think its the long half life. I have not so good willpower, but I am trying.
    My teeth are crumbling in my head, I have lost 3 teeth so far and I'm only 43.
    I am tring what Granda and you suggest, Randy. And so far so good. I will keep everyone posted.
    Did I mention I am also on a diet? All my immediate support is telling me I am trying to tackle too much at once. What do you guys think??

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    Quote Originally Posted by Qwaychou View Post
    I thank you for your reply. I am trying to cut teh dose in half and its day 2 and so far, nothing, but I think its the long half life. I have not so good willpower, but I am trying.
    My teeth are crumbling in my head, I have lost 3 teeth so far and I'm only 43.
    I am tring what Granda and you suggest, Randy. And so far so good. I will keep everyone posted.
    Did I mention I am also on a diet? All my immediate support is telling me I am trying to tackle too much at once. What do you guys think??
    Slow down! Do not cut your methadone dose in half, that is way too much! Just to clarify, Randy did not recommended that you cut your dose in half! What he did say and I quote "One of the best ways off at your current dose is to reduce your dose by around 5% every 4-7 days. So 5% from 50mgs would make your next dose 47.5mg. Remain on that dose for approximately 4-7 days and reduce again by 5% which would make that dose 45.125mg. You can round it off and make it 45mg if you want. The goal is to be stable on each dose before reducing further. Might take 4 days on one dose and 5+ days on another. Once you feel stable with little or no wd's then it's ok to reduce further. If you reduce while having wd symptoms those symptoms will follow you down the rest of the taper." and he said "You might consider just stopping the oxy. The methadone should make up the difference if you know what I mean?"

    Like Randy said and trust me he knows, you probably can just stop the oxy all together and just focus on tapering the methadone at a rate of 5% every 4-7 days! Slow and steady wins the race! Please re-read what Randy wrote and follow his suggestions if you want the best and most comfortable way off the methadone? I wish you well... God bless us all!
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    Oh dear. You are right Ricky. I didnt really misunderstand him, I am not too competent with math, and I had already cut my dose in half two days ago. I read a post in here that told me to cut my dose in half, but you're right, Randy said 5%.
    Only, what do I do now? I feel like I am pretty close to being adjusted to the half dose, I have not experienced any wds at all. I don't think I'd like to add the difference back up again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Qwaychou View Post
    Oh dear. You are right Ricky. I didnt really misunderstand him, I am not too competent with math, and I had already cut my dose in half two days ago. I read a post in here that told me to cut my dose in half, but you're right, Randy said 5%.
    Only, what do I do now? I feel like I am pretty close to being adjusted to the half dose, I have not experienced any wds at all. I don't think I'd like to add the difference back up again.
    Since methadone has such a long half-life it may take a few days to see just how much that reduction is going to effect you? Just remember, do not do another reduction until you're completely stable and when you do only do a 5% reduction!
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    This is day 5 and still no real bad wds to speak of, just a little RLS and some creepy crawly feelings. NOt too bad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Qwaychou View Post
    This is day 5 and still no real bad wds to speak of, just a little RLS and some creepy crawly feelings. NOt too bad.
    Hang in there! Keep us updated? Take care... God bless us all!

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    Day 6
    Now yesterday, things were a little different. I didn't really have many physical symptoms, more creepy crawly and some pain, but not too bad.
    What I did noticed was a lot of anxiety and the start of a depression. When I had talked to my family dr, she said that I would experience these things, but honestly, I did not believe her. I take other medicines for both anxiety and depression. I did not think it would be so bad.
    I was a wreck yesterday, antsy and bored, lonely and empty feeling. I wish I had something to keep my mind occupied, but interests are just not doing anything for me right now.
    I would welcome any advice and support.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Qwaychou View Post
    Oh dear. You are right Ricky. I didnt really misunderstand him, I am not too competent with math, and I had already cut my dose in half two days ago. I read a post in here that told me to cut my dose in half, but you're right, Randy said 5%.
    Only, what do I do now? I feel like I am pretty close to being adjusted to the half dose, I have not experienced any wds at all. I don't think I'd like to add the difference back up again.


    Yeah, Grandma said to cut your methadone dose in HALF and that's just wrong! One in a thousand people (maybe) can get away with doing that, and only if the dose is very, very low. Cutting 50mg in half is like begging for misery. You'll be having very tough symptoms if you do that. If you want off while having the least amount of symptoms you'll take it very slow and steady. I know you want off fast, as addicts we always want everything "right now". But methadone is a different animal, one that needs to be tapered very slow.

    Did you stop the oxy yet?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Qwaychou View Post
    Day 6
    Now yesterday, things were a little different. I didn't really have many physical symptoms, more creepy crawly and some pain, but not too bad.
    What I did noticed was a lot of anxiety and the start of a depression. When I had talked to my family dr, she said that I would experience these things, but honestly, I did not believe her. I take other medicines for both anxiety and depression. I did not think it would be so bad.
    I was a wreck yesterday, antsy and bored, lonely and empty feeling. I wish I had something to keep my mind occupied, but interests are just not doing anything for me right now.
    I would welcome any advice and support.
    Depression and/or anxiety is definitely normal and part of the withdrawal process. You said you already take meds for depression and anxiety, what do you take, how much do you take and how long have you been on them?

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    Let's see if I can remember everything I take, I need to make a new card. I take wellbutrin twice a day and Lamictal, and abilify and celexa....? I was very recently weaned off of Klonopin, not a picnic that one either....
    Today was a little better, not so antsy, I just did houseowrk and binge-watched engaging tv shows. I have a lot of hobbies, but none of them are holding my interest.

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    No, Randy, not yet, but I've cut teh oxy in half though, the same time i reduced my methadone
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    Day 7
    This morning I woke up shaking pretty badly.I'm thinking some of the half life of the methadone is wearing off.
    I am going to do soem artwork today, hopefully to keep me occupied. I find that boredom is a very bad plac eto be in, with both the weaning and the diet thing.

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    Day 8
    I survived yesterday, didn't break my regime and I think today will be better.
    I have noticed, even more so from yesterday than the days before, that if I'm bored, the cravings are much worse. I try to keep busy, but with my disabilities, its hard, I can only do so much, then it's back to teh couch. I have been trying to binge watch shows, but that is partial, at best. Depression is becoming a major obstacle, but I do have some resources and ideas at my disposal, including some help I recieved here, thank you everyone.
    Ok, back to netflix, LOL

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    Maybe I'm doing something wrong, but I have not really experienced major withdraw symptoms, sure a little discomfort, but nothing like I had experienced before. So, its been ten days and I am trying to cut my dose again, cutting the oxy in half and reducing the methadone again by a half pill, so... 5 mg.
    If I keep very busy I hardly notice the withdraw symptoms, which surprizes me because I am easily addicted to things and I have a hard time cutting myself off from things.
    I am also on the Weight Watchers PointsPlus plan, and doing really well, I have lost about 15 pounds. Everyone is telling me that I'm doing too much, going too fast, trying to accomplish too many things, but I feel that I must. I don't want to lose ground on anything I am doing. Yes, I am afriad that I won't be able to stick with it, with anything I am trying, the meds or the diet or the extra chores ad work I've been trying to do.
    I don't want to get worse, at anything. I am morbidly obese, I don't want any more health problems because of my diet or weight. I have numerous problems iwth the narcotics and I don't want any more teeth to fall out,or any other health problems associated iwth taking them, or anymore stress over how will I get to my appts and who will take me. I lose ground whenever I am bored, so I don't want to slack off on teh things that keep me busy.
    Considering that I usually fall off teh bandwagon for every one of these things within one day before, considering that I have been doing teh diet for three weeks and the meds for ten days I feel that I am doing great.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Solorrman View Post
    Must tramadol addict use Methadone for treatment of withrawal ?
    The answer to your question is no but you must taper tramadol very slowly because it also has a SSRI component which will make withdrawals much worse than just coming off a regular opiate. Please start your own thread so you can get personalized help and support? Let us know all the meds you are taking, for how long and how much? What are you wanting to do? What are all your questions and/or concerns?

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    Day 12, I see my pain management dr in a week. I am a little afraid of what he's going to say.
    I have many reasons for wanting to quit, and they are all valid and important, but I am horrible iwth confrontation. I have veered away from confrontation my whole life. I want to express my displeasure at the whole "my teeth are dropping out of my face" thing, and the proven fact that long term methadone users can face bone density loss, something that is a problem in my family to begin with. Whywasn't I made aware of these possible problems? Sure, I knew all teh side effects, but not any long term adverse effects.
    I don't know, I have all week to work out what I want to say.
    I know that in reality, there is nothing he can say or do to make me take the meds. I, myself, put the pills in my mouth and no one can MAKE me take anything I don't want to. I do not want to back track, I do not want to lose ground.
    I have suprized myself with how well I have been doing, and I am glad for it.

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    Well, day 13.
    Almost two weeks since I decided to wean. I like it here, but I use this mainly as a journale for my progress. I don't know what I was hoping for, but I guess you get out of it what you put into it, and I haven't been posting support for others.
    So, from 50 mg of methadone, to 30, and from 30 mg of oxycodone to none. Now, I try to push teh times I take these meds. Right ow I can go about 5 hours. Today I'm gonna push myself to six hours. By next week, I want to cut another 5 mg from teh methadone.
    Wish me luck.

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    Day 14
    I did really well yesterday. I was able to go 8 hours between doses. It was hard, but still, the wthdraws were not too bad. Maybe I'm ready to taper again.
    I kept really busy yesterday, I made a buffalo chicken lasagne, man, was that good, and it was a weight watcher recipe, too. Not too spicy but just enough, was so good.
    Anyway, doing that kept me busy along iwth watching a scary movie with a friend, and doing my usual housework stuff.

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