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    Mine is a long story but also very common; it began the day I was wounded in action in Vietnam, I was in the USMC and the date was October 4, 1968, my 20th birthday. I'm now 65 and my dependence on pain killers has led me here, taking Suboxone. I use the film, 1.5 twice daily.
    My reason for posting is, I believe, to make others aware of the down side of using this drug to avoid the pain & suffering of withdrawal and so I hope it's taken that way. I have no regrets or anger at anyone other than myself, I made all the choices no one else.
    I began taking Suboxone back in 2006, it was only in pill form at the time but soon the film was made available. I knew very little about it other than it was touted as an alternative to narcotic pain meds & withdrawal. It seemed like a "magic" pill to me. So I sought out a Dr. authorized to prescribe it, made an appointment & arrived at his office in full withdrawal, he gave me the pill which I placed under my tongue and almost instantly withdrawal eased up. It was great! After a brief discussion he gave me a scrip, I left and went to my pharmacy to have it filled. After they called to say it was ready to pick up I drove over only to have them tell me it was going to cost around $700 as I recall. That caught me totally off guard as I began asking if they had submitted it to my insurance (TriCare) and they assured me that it wasn't on the approved list so it was on me to pay. I felt I had no choice, I was in a corner, trapped between withdrawal & $700, I paid. The next day I began my mission to get my insuarnce to pay for it & eventually it happened & they reimbursed me for all the cash I laid out. Good news? Bad news? I still don't know although I'm leaning towards "bad" as I sit here today. Why? Well, all my research says that withdrawal from Suboxone is much worse than that from opiates, however, it's my experience that everyone reacts differently to these things and severity is only as bad as you/me allow it to be. I feel well qualified to make that statement after 45 years worth of pain, surgeries, procedures, recoveries, & self induced suffering.
    So, if I had it to do over here's what I would do:

    I was over the age of 50 when I went to Suboxone & I think that's the right age but if I had been younger I should have done rehab, which BTW I have never done.

    I had a hard time finding a Doc to prescribe it and there's not much I can do about it but others should know this before hand. The same goes for the cost of this drug, it's very expensive. I'm fortunate in that Tricare decided to approve it for me but I have no idea what their view is these days about it.

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    I was interrupted yesterday before I could finalize this post so here goes:

    In conclusion I would like to say that I've learned to live with chronic pain and that's the bottom line for all of with it, there are no shortcuts unless you want live as a zombie the rest of your life. So, this is deal, I will take Suboxone for the rest of my life or, until a new drug is developed which would allow me to stop taking suboxone without any consequences.

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    johnge you have been on subs now for 8 years and i was wondering have you ever considered weaning yourself off of subs? I have seen a few people on here that have been on it for several years and at a much higher dose then 3 mg a day do a slow wean and jump off of subs. When i jumped off of subs in Dec of 2012 there was a member here who i was tapering along with and she jumped off 10 days after me after being on subs for several years and she is still clean today.

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    Quote Originally Posted by alexnt View Post
    johnge you have been on subs now for 8 years and i was wondering have you ever considered weaning yourself off of subs? I have seen a few people on here that have been on it for several years and at a much higher dose then 3 mg a day do a slow wean and jump off of subs. When i jumped off of subs in Dec of 2012 there was a member here who i was tapering along with and she jumped off 10 days after me after being on subs for several years and she is still clean today.

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    Thanks for replying, it helps to get feedback. However, I think I may have inadvertantly mislead you on my dosage. What I meant to say was 1.5 FILMS twice daily so that's 24mg per day, I think. Knowing that would you still recommend the taper?

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    Quote Originally Posted by johnge View Post
    Thanks for replying, it helps to get feedback. However, I think I may have inadvertantly mislead you on my dosage. What I meant to say was 1.5 FILMS twice daily so that's 24mg per day, I think. Knowing that would you still recommend the taper?
    Yes for sure i would recommend a taper. No one in the world needs to be on 24 mg a day. At that high of a dose for the amount of years you have been on it you would need to wean off slowly but it would be doable. I dont know if you have ever read the taper plan that most members here have used to wean off of subs but you might want to read it. It calls for 25% reductions every 4 days but in your case you would need more then 4 days between drops. I was only on subs for 4 months myself and was fine with the 25% drops but in your case you might need smaller reductions. If you decide you would like to taper off you should start a thread in the subs forum where more people will see it and be able to offer you suggestions and support. Maybe call it On Subs since 2006. Since you are now using 24 mg a day the first reduction would have you dropping to 18 mg but maybe 20 mg would be a good starting point. Starting tomorrow instead of taking 1.5 strips twice take 1.25 strips twice a day to start your taper. With all the subs stacked up in your system you should not even notice the drop. Also if you start a new thread people who have been on subs for long periods of time and are tapering now or who have already tapered off will be able to give you tips and suggestions. My best wishes to you and i hope to talk to you again.

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    Alex--I think I'll take your advice. I want to add this comment though because it's important, I think, to those in the future who may consider using suboxone;
    Only recently have I figured out that the Doc who put me on it didn't really know how to use it. Here's how it went, he told me to stop taking Vicodin for about 48 hours and when I began to feel withdrawal symptoms to call and come in to his office. When I got there he checked my vitals & asked if I was in withdrawal to which I replied YES. So he gave me a pill to put under my tongue (films weren't available yet) and about 10 minutes later I began to feel better. He gave me a scrip and said I should take one tab twice daily. But, being the addict I was I called him a few days later and said I needed to take 3 a day because 2 weren't enough. He adjusted the scrip and since that day all he's, & I, have ever done is to see him every 3 months for a new scrip. There never has been a discussion about getting off this drug.
    I have ownership in my problem but I also think he was negligent by not discussing a detox program with me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by johnge View Post
    Alex--I think I'll take your advice. I want to add this comment though because it's important, I think, to those in the future who may consider using suboxone;
    Only recently have I figured out that the Doc who put me on it didn't really know how to use it. Here's how it went, he told me to stop taking Vicodin for about 48 hours and when I began to feel withdrawal symptoms to call and come in to his office. When I got there he checked my vitals & asked if I was in withdrawal to which I replied YES. So he gave me a pill to put under my tongue (films weren't available yet) and about 10 minutes later I began to feel better. He gave me a scrip and said I should take one tab twice daily. But, being the addict I was I called him a few days later and said I needed to take 3 a day because 2 weren't enough. He adjusted the scrip and since that day all he's, & I, have ever done is to see him every 3 months for a new scrip. There never has been a discussion about getting off this drug.
    I have ownership in my problem but I also think he was negligent by not discussing a detox program with me.
    johnge it does not take much for a doctor to be able to prescribe suboxne. An 8 hour online test is it all it takes for them to be licensed to prescribe it. A majority of sub doctors just follow what big pharma and big pharmas reps tell them. RB the company that had the patent for the suboxone strips has no interest in patients using subs as a detox tool. They want people to stay on subs for life so they can line there pockets with money. You started subs back in 2006 and at that time there were very few sub doctors that even had a clue as to using subs as a detox tool. Its still the case today just not as bad as it was then. If I sound like a bitter person that was stuck on subs at a high dose for years that is not the case. I was only on subs for a total of 4 months and actually had a smooth time tapering and jumping off after 4 months. I am just telling you the facts here. I do hope that you give tapering off a chance and hope that you can succeed at it. Will talk to you later.

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    I'm super confused. I've been on opiates for the past 8 years. I am totally dependent on these terrible pills for a series of back operations from an accident. I am now at about 25-30 Norco 10/325 pills a day. Now my workers comp has agreed to help me get off these pulls and Monday I start a program to get off of them but it is a program that will switch me from Norco to suboxone. And after reading the posts here I'm not sure if that's the right thing to do. I want to no longer be an addict.and it seems like I will just be addicted to a different medication. I'm truly afraid of what's going to happen. Any help or advice will be greatly appriciated. I just opened this account to find some answers hope I get some help here. Thanks. I still need to figure out how to check for replies. Lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by sealex View Post
    I'm super confused. I've been on opiates for the past 8 years. I am totally dependent on these terrible pills for a series of back operations from an accident. I am now at about 25-30 Norco 10/325 pills a day. Now my workers comp has agreed to help me get off these pulls and Monday I start a program to get off of them but it is a program that will switch me from Norco to suboxone. And after reading the posts here I'm not sure if that's the right thing to do. I want to no longer be an addict.and it seems like I will just be addicted to a different medication. I'm truly afraid of what's going to happen. Any help or advice will be greatly appriciated. I just opened this account to find some answers hope I get some help here. Thanks. I still need to figure out how to check for replies. Lol
    sealex I would start a thread in the sub forums in the suboxone treatment part if you want people who have been on suboxone to respond to you. I myself used suboxone to help me get off of fent and oxys and was on in for 4 months. Suboxone is a great tool to use to help you detox off of opiates and the key to using subs is to induct on a fairly low amount and to wean yourself off of it. It would be better if you could wean yourself off of the Norcos but if you are anything like most addicts are then you might find that you can not wean yourself off of the pills. if you start a thread the are other members here who can share what they have experienced using subs and give you support and tips on to how they jumped off of subs or are now weaning off themselves. My best wishes to you.

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    Thanks alex. I'm going to try to start a new post about this. I'm not the most say person when it comes to forums and posts though. Thanks again for everything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by alexnt View Post
    johnge it does not take much for a doctor to be able to prescribe suboxne. An 8 hour online test is it all it takes for them to be licensed to prescribe it. A majority of sub doctors just follow what big pharma and big pharmas reps tell them. RB the company that had the patent for the suboxone strips has no interest in patients using subs as a detox tool. They want people to stay on subs for life so they can line there pockets with money. You started subs back in 2006 and at that time there were very few sub doctors that even had a clue as to using subs as a detox tool. Its still the case today just not as bad as it was then. If I sound like a bitter person that was stuck on subs at a high dose for years that is not the case. I was only on subs for a total of 4 months and actually had a smooth time tapering and jumping off after 4 months. I am just telling you the facts here. I do hope that you give tapering off a chance and hope that you can succeed at it. Will talk to you later.

    Alex
    Alex--I had no idea the process was so simplified for the Docs, I wish I had known it earlier. Oh well, can't look back--only ahead.

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    so glad I'm off methadone subs are nothing compared to what methadone withdrawal is like I wanted to die I was literally puking on the concrete only because Hawaiian stupid rules and regulations but clinic forgot to renew their license so everybody had to go on withdraw or take a field trip over to Ohau and get your dose I decided to tough it out and just puked my guts out. now the same thing as a caring with subs mind sure inch won't cover at this time I was on subs for 8 months all Of sudden t switch me because it was a behavior health problems and now I can't get insurance on now I'm going to subs withdrawal nothing is even close to what the methadone withdrawal it's like though. a little bit of yawning in a little bit of feeling cold and that's about it for right now maybe the worst is yet to come but this is a piece of cake compared to methadone. I don't know how they're supposed to expect and I to go on a suboxone or even methadone the cheaper version how in the hell are they supposed to pay for it homeless and drug addicts you like impossible.f ing Medicare sucks

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    I forgot to say to say I was on 24 milligrams of suboxin I was on 160 milligrams of methadone now so jumping off that bridge is easier

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    Regardless of how a person becomes opioid dependent

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    Hey and welcome! Your story is oh so common. Happens to the best of us. The only good thing about suboxone is for some who just eat breathe and sleep opiates and are just really down and out and hopeless. It gives them a semi sense of normalcy....time to get their life back together and then taper off the suboxone. I did so have many others. The trick is a slow careful taper plan. These guys will tell you all about the taper! If you want off we can help you! Ive done it twice and it wasn't pleasant but by tapering it was painless as possible. Not too shabby. I did it and Im such a wuss. I take a tylenol for everything. I have a remedy for everything lol....I hate to suffer Anyways. Just wanted to tell you there is hope!

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    Ps my friend on here was on Suboxone for 5 years she just tapered off and she just posted to us the other day how HAPPY she is and how much better she feels. Smile if you want off it doesn't matter how old you are, how long you were on. The brain and body is amazing at adapting. Youll adapt to life without drugs it will take some work and a little time but its do able! There is hope! Check out the suboxone forum and get on the taper train and ride out to freedom! lol...Were over here waiting for you.

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    Vietnam?! Wow....thats quite an accomplishment. I grew up military. My father was a Marine for 20 years. He was in Dessert Storm. Messed him up...so I know how the military wears and tears on you. But that is quite the accomplishment. I know first hand how much discipline it takes to be Military. You dig deep and pull that discipline and keep your eye on the goal and push yourself youll taper off before you know it. If there is one thing you need to do this its discipline and you being in the Military discipline you have Im sure! Hope we see you in the Suboxone forum!

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