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    I recently made the switch to sub from Methadone. I tapered down from 70 to 40 mg over a week but I made it through the 72 hours with some help from Xanax. I made the switch and got sick for a short while. I was ignorant on subs and how they worked. I took an 8mg strip first. Then I didn't feel anything from it at all. Now I'm taking about 16 mg of sub but even went to 20 mg one day. Still I felt nothing from it. I'm not looking to get high from it but some of my friends tell me they get just a little pick me up from it but I have not. Does it take some time before that happens? I was on methadone for almost 15 years.

    I've gotten my subs from friends and haven't made a sub doctor appointment yet for fear of too many restrictions with treatment and so many options in my area. I work and have a family and can't be spending all my time at meeting and stuff. So, I don't know which one to call. I'd like to find a doctor that will prescribe sub to me cause I don't plan on being on it long.


    So, does it take a while for the subs to start working or am I taking too much? I've heard that less is better with sub. I am just curious if anyone knows a great place in the Cincinnati area. Thanks!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ukcat5fan View Post
    I recently made the switch to sub from Methadone. I tapered down from 70 to 40 mg over a week but I made it through the 72 hours with some help from Xanax. I made the switch and got sick for a short while. I was ignorant on subs and how they worked. I took an 8mg strip first. Then I didn't feel anything from it at all. Now I'm taking about 16 mg of sub but even went to 20 mg one day. Still I felt nothing from it. I'm not looking to get high from it but some of my friends tell me they get just a little pick me up from it but I have not. Does it take some time before that happens? I was on methadone for almost 15 years.

    I've gotten my subs from friends and haven't made a sub doctor appointment yet for fear of too many restrictions with treatment and so many options in my area. I work and have a family and can't be spending all my time at meeting and stuff. So, I don't know which one to call. I'd like to find a doctor that will prescribe sub to me cause I don't plan on being on it long.


    So, does it take a while for the subs to start working or am I taking too much? I've heard that less is better with sub. I am just curious if anyone knows a great place in the Cincinnati area. Thanks!!!
    Welcome!

    Good job switching from the methadone to subs. That's a huge step in the right direction and the swap is definitely NOT an easy thing to do.

    I would suggest to you that you spend some time reading around this Forum so that you can get a feel or what you can expect to get from the subs. I think that your expectations might be a little skewed. That's not a criticism, just my take from your post. If you are using the subs correctly, what you can expect is to not have acute withdrawal symptoms. That's it! They will allow you to live your life without having down time to detox. A slow taper will give you the time to adjust and fill your recovery tool box. If anyone thinks that getting clean from any opiate is the only goal, they are misinformed. Getting clean is only the first step. The real challenge is staying clean. I know that being forced into meetings and/or therapy isn't the highlight of our day and most of us rebel against that, at least in the beginning until we discover just how important education and face to face support is to maintaining our sobriety. (I hear your eyes rolling! I thought this way too.)

    Most people around here are able to get stable (symptom free) on 4mg or less of sub a day. However, you're coming from using methadone so it wouldn't surprise me that you'd need more than that but I also think that there is no possible way that you need as much as you've been taking. It comes as no surprise to me that you are lacking energy at that high of a dose. You obviously have heard that with subs, less is more. This means that if you aren't feeling well when you're taking the dose that you're taking it's because it's just too much. Way too much. How many days have you dosed with subs? I would strongly suggest that you get that dose down and do it before you've been taking them for too long. You could probably easily reduce immediately to 8mg and my bet is that you will feel much better. Once you are on the correct dose, you should just feel "normal" (I hate that word). No extra energy and no high. The goal is to be without withdrawal symptoms. If you expect or are looking for more than that, you're setting yourself up for a tough time.

    Have you found and read Robert's Sub Taper Plan? It's what has been used here by thousands of people who have been able to successfully taper off of subs in the most comfortable way possible. If you haven't read it, please do. There are plenty of folks around here who can help you if you have questions but start by reading.

    I think that it's important to get yourself in to see a sub specialist. He/she will likely prescribe a dose that is too high. They usually do. We suggest that you listen, nod your head and then come running back here so that someone can get you on the right track. These doctors mean well but they just have never used them, have been educated by the pharmaceutical companies, and simply don't understand the best way to get off of them. It's true that most of these specialists will require that you sit in on at least one group a week and it sounds like you want no part of this but the truth is that you will likely gain something there that you will need to stay clean. An hour once a week is a small price to pay to get yourself on the right track. Your decision, this is just my two cents.

    Keep posting and please, please make some time to read as many threads here as you can. You will learn a lot and it will motivate you. Best wishes.

    Peace,

    Cat

    PS One last thing--no it doesn't take much time for the subs to work like they are supposed to. When first inducting (taking your first sub) it only takes a matter of a few hours to find the lowest effective dose leaving you completely free of withdrawal symptoms. If that doesn't happen and you are experiencing typical symptoms (bathroom issues, RLS, aches, anxiety, etc.) it's probably because you aren't taking enough. If you take subs too soon after having used any opiate, it will throw you into precipitated withdrawals and you'll have no question about whether that's the case because you will be very, very sick! If you are symptom free but nauseated or tired then you've taken too much and need to take less.
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    Thank you for your detailed response. I hope I wasn't misleading because I'm not looking to get high off subs by any means. My friends just told me they get a little 'pick me up' from it early to start the day and I'd be lying if I said that wouldn't be nice. Lol. I'm so lethargic and weak that anything would help. Could taking too much do that? I think I took 20 mg today or the strips. But my friends take the pill form I think. I don't know what the difference is as I'm pretty ignorant to this sub stuff. My last methadone dose was last Thursday too, so I know it's not be that long but I'm still feeling rough and sleepy sucks. I'm also still taking a couple benzos to help. Could that effect it? Should I start a small dose of just like 8mg tomorrow to see how it goes?

    Also, I'm not opposed to going to a meeting a week, I just don't want to be stuck at some methadone/ sub clinic that makes me come in 3 or 4 times a week. That's all I meant.

    One last question, I also have a pill that I thought was a sub but it's in a package and it says Zubsolv 5.7 on it. It's a small pill but I don't know what it is.

    Again, thanks for your help and anyone else who chimes in. I appreciate it. Still looking for a good doctor in my Cincinnati area. I have Medicaid and I heard that they cover Sub treatment now. So, any ideas there would be great too. Thanks!!!!! So much!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ukcat5fan View Post
    Thank you for your detailed response. I hope I wasn't misleading because I'm not looking to get high off subs by any means. My friends just told me they get a little 'pick me up' from it early to start the day and I'd be lying if I said that wouldn't be nice. Lol. I'm so lethargic and weak that anything would help. Could taking too much do that? I think I took 20 mg today or the strips. But my friends take the pill form I think. I don't know what the difference is as I'm pretty ignorant to this sub stuff. My last methadone dose was last Thursday too, so I know it's not be that long but I'm still feeling rough and sleepy sucks. I'm also still taking a couple benzos to help. Could that effect it? Should I start a small dose of just like 8mg tomorrow to see how it goes?

    Also, I'm not opposed to going to a meeting a week, I just don't want to be stuck at some methadone/ sub clinic that makes me come in 3 or 4 times a week. That's all I meant.

    One last question, I also have a pill that I thought was a sub but it's in a package and it says Zubsolv 5.7 on it. It's a small pill but I don't know what it is.

    Again, thanks for your help and anyone else who chimes in. I appreciate it. Still looking for a good doctor in my Cincinnati area. I have Medicaid and I heard that they cover Sub treatment now. So, any ideas there would be great too. Thanks!!!!! So much!!!
    That pill marked Zubsolv is another version of sub. That dose is 5.7 as opposed to the 8mg films you have of the subs. YES!! The high dose of sub you are taking will make you feel lethargic and will interfere with your sleep, especially if you are taking a dose too close to bedtime. The films and the tablets are the same but the films are usually easier to cut when you begin to taper. I would encourage you to try to only take 8mg tomorrow. Be honest with yourself. I'm sure you know what withdrawal symptoms feel like and as long as you aren't having those, you don't need more than those 8mg. Be honest! I'm not criticizing. I am a recovering addict so I know I had to practice at being honest with myself. It's just the way it is.

    I don't think a sub doctor is going to make you do intensive outpatient. That would be almost every day. Most just want to see you once a week to participate in group. It will help you.

    Sorry. I'm on the East Coast so I can't help you with anyone in Cincinnati. Ask around and someone will help you. I might warn you, though that unless they are familiar with this Forum, don't listen to anyone's advice. I know that sounds mean, but I've been around here a very long time and I just know that the best advice and information you're going to get is right here. If you begin to listen to your friends or others, it'll just confuse you. Commit to ask questions here and trust what you get. You won't be sorry. We're actually a great group of addicts! You have to laugh. What else ya gonna do?

    Keep posting and I'll keep watching.

    Peace,

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    By the way, I meant to suggest to you that you find a couple of threads to read from folks who made the transition from methadone to subs. They're long but it will help you to understand more about subs and specifically what to expect when switching from methadone to subs.

    The first is Iluvtosmile (user name) and the other is Randy. I'm sorry that I can't remember the title of their threads. Let me go search to see if I can find them and I'll come back and leave you the links. Want something inspiring? Both of these threads will do the trick.

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    Thank you so much. I'm literally in tears at the moment because you said exactly what I need to hear in being honest with myself. Don't ever worry about hurting my feelings. I know you wouldn't be on here if you weren't trying to help others and that an extremely noble act of kindness. This switch has me so scared that I don't know what to do. I just don't want to get it wrong. I was sick and tired of feeling so bad everyday on meth for almost 15 yrs that I never saw an end in sight. It's encouraging that I have found this place and I hope you don't mind if I rely on you for more info if needed. My emotions are all over the place and I just dream of the day when I can be normal and feel like I used to feel. I started meth (not knowing anything about it) when I was 23 and I'm pushing 40 and am in the exact same place in life as when I started. I have had enough. I have to make this work for my wife and son. I've got mortgages to pay and so I'm going to have to work through some tough times but I don't have any choice. I HAVE TO GET MY LIFE BACK. So, thank you for your help. I will look into the posters here you mentioned that went through it also. I just hope I'm one of the strong enough that actually make it work. Thanks again for giving it to me straight, I'll take that over a bull>>>>ter any day. Lol.
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    Ps. How do I go about finding a sub doctor and when I do, do I just call and tell them what I'm looking for? Reason I ask is because I'm confused if regular practitioners are the ones prescribing it or if it's like a clinic, such as the meth clinic I went to. I would prefer to find a doctor or just a sub clinic doctor only. The meth clinic make you jump through all kinds of hoops in treatment. Thanks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ukcat5fan View Post
    Thank you so much. I'm literally in tears at the moment because you said exactly what I need to hear in being honest with myself. Don't ever worry about hurting my feelings. I know you wouldn't be on here if you weren't trying to help others and that an extremely noble act of kindness. This switch has me so scared that I don't know what to do. I just don't want to get it wrong. I was sick and tired of feeling so bad everyday on meth for almost 15 yrs that I never saw an end in sight. It's encouraging that I have found this place and I hope you don't mind if I rely on you for more info if needed. My emotions are all over the place and I just dream of the day when I can be normal and feel like I used to feel. I started meth (not knowing anything about it) when I was 23 and I'm pushing 40 and am in the exact same place in life as when I started. I have had enough. I have to make this work for my wife and son. I've got mortgages to pay and so I'm going to have to work through some tough times but I don't have any choice. I HAVE TO GET MY LIFE BACK. So, thank you for your help. I will look into the posters here you mentioned that went through it also. I just hope I'm one of the strong enough that actually make it work. Thanks again for giving it to me straight, I'll take that over a bull>>>>ter any day. Lol.
    Exactly why they call that chit liquid handcuffs. There are soooo many people who are never able to get off of it and that's just no way to live. You have done the first right thing by switching to subs. It will be much easier to taper the subs mostly because you should not get an euphoric feeling from them. That's the antagonist part of the sub working. I am just mighty glad that you found this Forum before you get too far into this. The amount sub you are taking is insane and the half life is very long just like methadone. I know it's gong to be hard to pay for the sub specialist and the subs themselves but it will be worth it in the end. Your taper should be done correctly and that means slowly. The lower the dose that you start with, the better you're going to feel and the sooner you're going to be completely done. If you are able to start at 8mg, and I think that is going to be enough, you could be done with this in about three months. Once we know that you're at the right dose, in less than a week you could probably make your first reduction. Tomorrow morning, dose 4mg in the morning and you can dose the other 4mg about 10 hours after that but be sure it's not too close to bedtime because it can interfere with your sleep.

    Just keep posting to let us know how you're feeling in detail and we can and will hold your hand and walk you through this including how much you reduce and when and how you can manage to get the micro doses you'll need at the end. You are going to reduce very slowly all the way down until you are at .25 (that's 1/4 of a mg) per day.or less. It's hard to believe that those things are that strong, but they certainly are.

    You're going to get this done and finally put this chapter of your life to bed. It's about time, isn't it? I was so ready that I knew that nothing was going to stop me and it sounds to me that you're in that same place. I am going to keep checking on you so give plenty of updates. Post in the morning to let us know how you're feeling. Getting you stable is going to be the first very important step. If you get this part right, you're going to do great the rest of the way. Have faith.

    Peace,

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    Will do. Thank you sooo much Cat. I'm putting my trust in you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ukcat5fan View Post
    Will do. Thank you sooo much Cat. I'm putting my trust in you.
    How you doing this morning? I'll check for you later.

    Peace,

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    Just dosed 4mg about 15 mins ago. I cut the strip in half. I'll check back shortly and give ya an update. Thanks for checking.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ukcat5fan View Post
    Just dosed 4mg about 15 mins ago. I cut the strip in half. I'll check back shortly and give ya an update. Thanks for checking.
    How were you feeling before you dosed? Share too how you felt after you dosed. Did you feel any different?

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    Didn't feel well before because I couldn't sleep all night. An hour here and there but that's about it. Still didn't feel that stomach sickness that I used to get from the meth but I still didn't feel well. I took the 4 mg and still feel rough. Just soooo lethargic still some withdrawal symptoms and unmotivated to do anything. Good thing I've taken vacation days from work. So, I took 2 more MG just now to see if that will make me feel better but I doubt it. Maybe it's just the fact that I just quit meth a week ago today after almost 15 yrs on it. That may be the issue. I just don't know but I don't feel well by any means. Also still struggling to find a sub doctor in my area that I've got to find soon before I run out of my stash. I know there are some here but do I just call and make an intake appointment? Hopefully this 2 will help but it's all I'm going to take today. I just want to get stable and I guess it takes time. Wish it would hurry up though. Lol. Thanks again for checking on me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ukcat5fan View Post
    Didn't feel well before because I couldn't sleep all night. An hour here and there but that's about it. Still didn't feel that stomach sickness that I used to get from the meth but I still didn't feel well. I took the 4 mg and still feel rough. Just soooo lethargic still some withdrawal symptoms and unmotivated to do anything. Good thing I've taken vacation days from work. So, I took 2 more MG just now to see if that will make me feel better but I doubt it. Maybe it's just the fact that I just quit meth a week ago today after almost 15 yrs on it. That may be the issue. I just don't know but I don't feel well by any means. Also still struggling to find a sub doctor in my area that I've got to find soon before I run out of my stash. I know there are some here but do I just call and make an intake appointment? Hopefully this 2 will help but it's all I'm going to take today. I just want to get stable and I guess it takes time. Wish it would hurry up though. Lol. Thanks again for checking on me.
    It probably is the switch from the methadone. Hope you can be patient and tough it out for a few days. Most others who did the switch did so after tapering their methadone to a low dose, like maybe 10mg/day. You were higher, weren't you? Arrgh. I'm sorry you're having trouble but stay strong and please don't continue to take more and more sub. It will do no good and I think you've already seen that.

    I think you should start to call offices until you find one who is taking new patients. You might also look on the net because I think there are sites that can refer you. I wouldn't like that second choice unless you can't find someone on your own. I guess I'd rather go to someone that someone knows. But that's me. it's more important at this point to find a doctor who can prescribe the subs. You'd be wise to follow the advice here anyway.

    Keep updating.

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    After taking the other 2 mg, I haven't taken anymore. So, that makes 6 mg for the day. I felt really bad early but I took a small nap and I'm actually feeling a tad bit better. Not sure why. Definitely taking your advice on not keep taking more and more.

    I made a few calls today but with my insurance, they've said it means intense counseling sessions (2 per week) and because I have to find a place outside of my area because of discreetness, that has become a new problem. But I did get an appointment for a place just in case I can't find anyone else but it's far away and those sessions may be difficult but at the least they may be able to admit me and find a place closer for me. At least that was my thinking. So, I went ahead and made an appointment a week from Monday on the 10th. I'll keep trying to call more places tomorrow.

    But thanks for the check. I'll report back soon! It means a lot that I have someone like you to turn to for help.

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    What is this taper method that everyone keeps bragging about on here? I can't seem to find it. I read there is also a method for over the counter supplements that can really help.

    I don't want to be on sub long at all, just long enough to get through the methadone withdrawals that I know can last up to 3 months. So, I'm not going high on my sub dose after speaking with you. I went 6 mg today and made it through the day. I was still very lathargic and irritable but I made it. I just want some energy back and sleeping is useless. Any ideas to help. I know I did a fast meth tamper to get to 35 mg, then the 72 hours before sub (with some xanax help) but just trying to find something to help me sleep and energy. So, thought I'd check out the supplement method and read up on this taper method that every seems to think is so successful. Thanks in advance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ukcat5fan View Post
    What is this taper method that everyone keeps bragging about on here? I can't seem to find it. I read there is also a method for over the counter supplements that can really help.

    I don't want to be on sub long at all, just long enough to get through the methadone withdrawals that I know can last up to 3 months. So, I'm not going high on my sub dose after speaking with you. I went 6 mg today and made it through the day. I was still very lathargic and irritable but I made it. I just want some energy back and sleeping is useless. Any ideas to help. I know I did a fast meth tamper to get to 35 mg, then the 72 hours before sub (with some xanax help) but just trying to find something to help me sleep and energy. So, thought I'd check out the supplement method and read up on this taper method that every seems to think is so successful. Thanks in advance.
    The taper plan used here is Robert's Sub Taper Plan. It's pinned to the top of the Suboxone Forum. It calls for a 25% reduction every four or five days but only after you're completely stable (little to no symptoms). Reductions are made until you are taking .25 (1/4mg) per day or less. Lots of folks make one or two more reductions after that. The lower you go will give you the softest landing. That 25% reduction can be tweaked by making smaller reductions or you can stay at a dose for longer if you feel like you need to. The important thing is to be stable before you made any reductions. We will definitely help you with that when the time comes but I suspect you're going to have to stay put right where you are for a bit while the methadone continues to dissipate and the subs are able to completely do their job. With the length of time you had been taking the methadone, I think it's going to take longer than 4 or 5 days but be patient and you'll get there. It's especially important right now to just wait it out until you are feeling better and you will.

    The list of supplements that might help is called the Thomas Recipe. You can find it on this Forum or you can just Google it. It's a list of vitamins and supplements that might help to ease some of your symptoms. It does include benzos for the first few days of a cold turkey detox but unless you're already taking them, don't. They are very addictive and much harder to get off of when it's time to do that. Drink gallons of water or Gatorade. Subs can tend to dehydrate you and that would make all of your symptoms feel worse and create some of its own that mimic withdrawal symptoms. If you begin to have stomach issues, people report that just a shot of cider vinegar once a day helps to settle that. Try to eat a protein rich diet. The Recipe also lists L-Tyrosine, something that will hopefully help with your energy levels. It seems to work better for some but for me, it just give me the jitters so I skipped it. Most people don't have problems with it so it's certainly worth giving it a try.

    Sleep. Yeah sleep. Unfortunately, I have never found or read of anything that makes a huge difference and will help with that. Sorry! I know how frustrating it is. You took so much of the sub over the past several days that I wouldn't be surprised if that's making things worse in the sleep department. That together with still ridding your body of the methadone is probably making things worse. I honestly think that if you're careful about caffeine, be sure not to take your second dose near bedtime (at least 3 hours prior), and give yourself more time, things will turn around. Almost everyone reports feeling best once they get to lower doses but even so, things will turn around once the methadone is gone.

    Wish I had much better news for you. You have done wonderfully making the transition. I know it's not easy allowing yourself to be sick while you wait to take your first sub dose but you did it anyway. Stay tough and allow some more time to pass and you will begin to feel better.

    You have come entirely too far and I know that going back to the methadone is off the table. I also know that you don't want to be on the subs for a long time but you don't want to rush it either. You're not alone. It's so weird, isn't it? Once we decide we're ready to put all of this behind us, we want it now! You've been trapped in methadone h*ll for fifteen years! In just a few months, you'll be done. That probably still sounds like a long time when you're not feeling well but give it a little time and you will feel better. Just a lot going on with you right now between it being such a short time since your last methadone dose and the large doses of sub that you had taken. Nothing much you can do about that except to just let all of that leave your system and then you'll be on track to begin your reductions.

    Good to see that you began to make some calls to get in to see a sub specialist. I'd do the same thing and just get an appointment with whomever I could get in to see. That doctor will likely prescribe high doses of subs. They almost always do. Don't question it. Just listen and nod your head, get your script and get out of there. The good news is that because they are going to over-prescribe, you'll be able to stockpile more subs than you're going to actually take. Do just that and depending upon how long it's going to take you to get good and stable now, you may only need a refill or two before you have plenty of the sub to complete your taper following Robert's Plan. I won't do it now, but at some point I will be gently pushing you to find a meeting. Especially if you're able to get enough subs and you stop going to see the doctor and you won't be going to Group anymore. That'll be later.

    Check in. I'll watch for you.

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    Thank you Cat! As always, you make so much sense. I'm definitely going to keep my sub dose down to no more than 8 mg for now, split into 2 doses. I did sleep for about 4 hours last night but have been up since 3:45am. Lol. I think the sleep part of this may be the most difficult but there is no way I'm going back to methadone, so it is what it is and something I have to deal with. I've been taking some Melatonin to get me asleep but it doesn't keep me asleep unfortunately. Thank you so much from the bottom of my heart for your help. I would be a mess without your guidance and it means a lot that I have support from someone who has walked in these shoes before. I'm sure I'm not the only one you help but I'm grateful I'm one of them and it says soooo much about your character that you are here helping. Thank you! I'll keep ya posted on how the day goes. Getting ready to dose 4 mg now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ukcat5fan View Post
    Thank you Cat! As always, you make so much sense. I'm definitely going to keep my sub dose down to no more than 8 mg for now, split into 2 doses. I did sleep for about 4 hours last night but have been up since 3:45am. Lol. I think the sleep part of this may be the most difficult but there is no way I'm going back to methadone, so it is what it is and something I have to deal with. I've been taking some Melatonin to get me asleep but it doesn't keep me asleep unfortunately. Thank you so much from the bottom of my heart for your help. I would be a mess without your guidance and it means a lot that I have support from someone who has walked in these shoes before. I'm sure I'm not the only one you help but I'm grateful I'm one of them and it says soooo much about your character that you are here helping. Thank you! I'll keep ya posted on how the day goes. Getting ready to dose 4 mg now.


    Hello Ukat5fan -

    Cat's amazing right? Right? She really is. Cat's been a part of this forum for a long, long time and her advice and suggestions are ALWAYS spot on. A person will never go wrong taking her advice. We're all lucky and Blessed to have her here with us. Thanks, Cat.

    Let me tell you that I've been down the road you're now on. I was a LONG time Methadone user/abuser and hated that stuff. Liquid handcuffs is the perfect name for it. I was taking over 200mgs a day for years. I was able (after 2 failed attempts) to make a successful switch to Suboxone. The first 2 times I was in a big hurry to induct and put myself into precipitated wd's twice. Deathly ill. I eventually made it, got stable, then tapered off the subs successfully. I'll have 3 years clean on July 7th. Let me assure you that you can certainly do it too.

    In my opinion you're still in wd's from the Methadone, but the sub is covering it up. Cat is correct in her assessment about that. I also read you were taking Xanax also and that may compound the issue? Knowing what I know and if I were in your shoes right now I would stop taking the sub for a day, possibly 2 and then try to basically redo the induction without going into full blown wd's. With the 20mg you took at the original induction and the 16mg you took after that you have some build up in your system. In other words you took WAY too much sub and I realize you know that now. But you need to allow some of it to dissipate and stopping the sub for a day or 2 will do that.

    Once you feel the tough wd's coming on again I would suggest you start by taking a 1-2mg dose of sub and see how you feel. After an hour you could take another 1-2mg and wait 60 min. Repeat that process until you feel the wd's going away. The goal is to get your dose down to the 4mg to 6mg range if possible.

    You of course are free to do as you choose. But as I said if it were me I would do as I outlined. Sub is crazy strong. Once you're on it for a while you'll discover that 1-2mg will hold you just as 16mg did before. It's so strong.

    For your information here is the link to Robert's sub therapy plan below....

    https://www.drugs.com/forum/suboxone...apy-66109.html

    And here is the link to the Thomas Recipe too....

    https://www.drugs.com/forum/featured...wal-35169.html

    I'm not here on the forum much anymore, but I try to check for responses to my posts and will do so over the next couple days.

    The most important thing is to have a positive frame of mind and you'll be fine. Take care and all the best!

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    Is it ok to start the Thomas Recipe now that I've taken subs for about 4 days? I still feel lathargic and was hoping it would make me feel better. Was just curious if it was just for people going through straight detox without anything or if it's ok for someone like me who is still going through methadone withdrawal although the sub is covering it. I was going to start it immediately if it's ok, minus the benzo part of course.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Catrina View Post
    The taper plan used here is Robert's Sub Taper Plan. It's pinned to the top of the Suboxone Forum. It calls for a 25% reduction every four or five days but only after you're completely stable (little to no symptoms). Reductions are made until you are taking .25 (1/4mg) per day or less. Lots of folks make one or two more reductions after that. The lower you go will give you the softest landing. That 25% reduction can be tweaked by making smaller reductions or you can stay at a dose for longer if you feel like you need to. The important thing is to be stable before you made any reductions. We will definitely help you with that when the time comes but I suspect you're going to have to stay put right where you are for a bit while the methadone continues to dissipate and the subs are able to completely do their job. With the length of time you had been taking the methadone, I think it's going to take longer than 4 or 5 days but be patient and you'll get there. It's especially important right now to just wait it out until you are feeling better and you will.

    The list of supplements that might help is called the Thomas Recipe. You can find it on this Forum or you can just Google it. It's a list of vitamins and supplements that might help to ease some of your symptoms. It does include benzos for the first few days of a cold turkey detox but unless you're already taking them, don't. They are very addictive and much harder to get off of when it's time to do that. Drink gallons of water or Gatorade. Subs can tend to dehydrate you and that would make all of your symptoms feel worse and create some of its own that mimic withdrawal symptoms. If you begin to have stomach issues, people report that just a shot of cider vinegar once a day helps to settle that. Try to eat a protein rich diet. The Recipe also lists L-Tyrosine, something that will hopefully help with your energy levels. It seems to work better for some but for me, it just give me the jitters so I skipped it. Most people don't have problems with it so it's certainly worth giving it a try.

    Sleep. Yeah sleep. Unfortunately, I have never found or read of anything that makes a huge difference and will help with that. Sorry! I know how frustrating it is. You took so much of the sub over the past several days that I wouldn't be surprised if that's making things worse in the sleep department. That together with still ridding your body of the methadone is probably making things worse. I honestly think that if you're careful about caffeine, be sure not to take your second dose near bedtime (at least 3 hours prior), and give yourself more time, things will turn around. Almost everyone reports feeling best once they get to lower doses but even so, things will turn around once the methadone is gone.

    Wish I had much better news for you. You have done wonderfully making the transition. I know it's not easy allowing yourself to be sick while you wait to take your first sub dose but you did it anyway. Stay tough and allow some more time to pass and you will begin to feel better.

    You have come entirely too far and I know that going back to the methadone is off the table. I also know that you don't want to be on the subs for a long time but you don't want to rush it either. You're not alone. It's so weird, isn't it? Once we decide we're ready to put all of this behind us, we want it now! You've been trapped in methadone h*ll for fifteen years! In just a few months, you'll be done. That probably still sounds like a long time when you're not feeling well but give it a little time and you will feel better. Just a lot going on with you right now between it being such a short time since your last methadone dose and the large doses of sub that you had taken. Nothing much you can do about that except to just let all of that leave your system and then you'll be on track to begin your reductions.

    Good to see that you began to make some calls to get in to see a sub specialist. I'd do the same thing and just get an appointment with whomever I could get in to see. That doctor will likely prescribe high doses of subs. They almost always do. Don't question it. Just listen and nod your head, get your script and get out of there. The good news is that because they are going to over-prescribe, you'll be able to stockpile more subs than you're going to actually take. Do just that and depending upon how long it's going to take you to get good and stable now, you may only need a refill or two before you have plenty of the sub to complete your taper following Robert's Plan. I won't do it now, but at some point I will be gently pushing you to find a meeting. Especially if you're able to get enough subs and you stop going to see the doctor and you won't be going to Group anymore. That'll be later.

    Check in. I'll watch for you.

    Peace,

    Cat

    Cat,

    Is it ok to start the Thomas Recipe now that I've taken subs for about 4 days? I still feel lathargic and was hoping it would make me feel better. Was just curious if it was just for people going through straight detox without anything or if it's ok for someone like me who is still going through methadone withdrawal although the sub is covering it. I was going to start it immediately if it's ok, minus the benzo part of course
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ukcat5fan View Post
    Cat,

    Is it ok to start the Thomas Recipe now that I've taken subs for about 4 days? I still feel lathargic and was hoping it would make me feel better. Was just curious if it was just for people going through straight detox without anything or if it's ok for someone like me who is still going through methadone withdrawal although the sub is covering it. I was going to start it immediately if it's ok, minus the benzo part of course
    Absolutely! There is nothing on that list (except for the Benzo's) that isn't healthy. Folks often start the supplements before even beginnig to detox, at the same time, or shortly after. Lots of people continue to take the supplements long after they've finished. Nothing there that will hurt you and hopefully it will help you. Go ahead and start to take them as soon as you can.

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    Past couple days have been ok. My mood is the only thing that is all over the place and I have to find another way for thinking and filling my time. I could really kick my self in the butt for starting off on such a large dose. It was so stupid. I'm afraid it's going to make the taper worse. I know that after 15 years of methadone use that it's not going to be easy and I fear that I'm not going to be able to be stronger enough to do this. I'm not going to lie, I'm not scared of much in this world but withdraws terrify me to no end. I know I can't hurry after being on meth for so long and that it's going to take a while to get out of my system. I struggle to not rush want to rush this taper but it's difficult. Since learning of my induction mistake, I went to 6 mg once a day. Today, I took 4 mg and I'm hoping that will get me through the day and I can stable out on that. With me being on meth for so long, I wonder how long I'm going to have to be on these subs. I know I didn't get to this point overnight and I know I won't get rid of it overnight but it's so tough when you want something so bad but are so scared of what's ahead. I know I sound like a big coward right now but I'm just speaking how I feel. I've seen some bits and pieces of the taper method used here but haven't gotten serious with it because I know I'm only a week off methadone and nowhere near ready to begin. I just want to focus on keeping my dose down. I'd love to keep it at 4 mg and hope I don't need to take anything later but last night I did. I read stories on how important the induction is and I probably should've come down even lower on my methadone but that wasn't working and going back to meth is not an option. I hope I haven't screwed myself already. I know you don't know me personally but I feel like you are someone I can talk to because while I have people in my life, nobody understands it. Even with the switch, I'm still just so scared of what lies ahead. I pray every night that I have the strength to make it through this. I don't want to be a statistic and I've got a beautiful wife and an amazing son that I HAVE to be here for and be clear minded for. It's just so hard.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ukcat5fan View Post
    Past couple days have been ok. My mood is the only thing that is all over the place and I have to find another way for thinking and filling my time. I could really kick my self in the butt for starting off on such a large dose. It was so stupid. I'm afraid it's going to make the taper worse. I know that after 15 years of methadone use that it's not going to be easy and I fear that I'm not going to be able to be stronger enough to do this. I'm not going to lie, I'm not scared of much in this world but withdraws terrify me to no end. I know I can't hurry after being on meth for so long and that it's going to take a while to get out of my system. I struggle to not rush want to rush this taper but it's difficult. Since learning of my induction mistake, I went to 6 mg once a day. Today, I took 4 mg and I'm hoping that will get me through the day and I can stable out on that. With me being on meth for so long, I wonder how long I'm going to have to be on these subs. I know I didn't get to this point overnight and I know I won't get rid of it overnight but it's so tough when you want something so bad but are so scared of what's ahead. I know I sound like a big coward right now but I'm just speaking how I feel. I've seen some bits and pieces of the taper method used here but haven't gotten serious with it because I know I'm only a week off methadone and nowhere near ready to begin. I just want to focus on keeping my dose down. I'd love to keep it at 4 mg and hope I don't need to take anything later but last night I did. I read stories on how important the induction is and I probably should've come down even lower on my methadone but that wasn't working and going back to meth is not an option. I hope I haven't screwed myself already. I know you don't know me personally but I feel like you are someone I can talk to because while I have people in my life, nobody understands it. Even with the switch, I'm still just so scared of what lies ahead. I pray every night that I have the strength to make it through this. I don't want to be a statistic and I've got a beautiful wife and an amazing son that I HAVE to be here for and be clear minded for. It's just so hard.
    There is absolutely nothing cowardly about being terrified of withdrawal symptoms. They are in themselves the single most common reason that we stay actively using. Even when there is little that we want more than to be sober, we manage to delay our detox not because we want one more day to use, we just want one more day to not be sick.

    So, you reduced your dose to 4mg but needed to take a "rescue" dose last night. Please be careful. If you needed that rescue dose, you aren't stable and I'm not surprised. You're coming off of what was still a good size daily dose of methadone and it's going to take you awhile yet. If 6mg had you feeling at least well enough that it's not unbearable, I would stay right there for a while longer to give yourself a chance to get rid of the methadone that is still in your system. You are only a little over a week out since your last methadone dose after many years of having been on it. I wouldn't try to reduce at all for a couple more weeks. I understand that once we make our minds up that we want to be done, we want to be done now but unless you're patient and allow things to settle down, this will be harder than it needs to be.

    Randy, who was on methadone for years too before he made the switch to subs took nine months to complete his taper and jump. However, it was his choice to stay on the subs that long and he could have been done sooner had he wanted to be done sooner. He says he needed to adjust to not using and he just didn't feel ready or strong enough to drop the crutches.

    Right now is going to be the toughest part for you. It sux but you just aren't apt to feel your best until the methadone is gone. Once you get there, you're going to feel much better and only then will you be ready to begin to make reductions. Please just don't rush this no matter how tempted you are. You'll know when it's time to begin to reduce. If you begin to reduce too soon or do it too quickly, you're going to feel like cr*p the entire taper. So instead of just barely getting by like you are now for the next couple of weeks, you'll be struggling for the next few months. While there's not much you can do right now except to wait this out, you'll be glad you did. If you follow the taper plan and go slowly, things should go fairly smoothly and if you reduce all the way down to less than .25mg/day, your jump won't be nearly as bad as you're feeling right now. The key, my friend, is to exercise every bit of patience you have now in order to wait until you are completely stable. Then, you can follow the plan as though you had never been on methadone. Right now, it's screwing with you.

    I encourage you to stay at the 6mg/day for now. It will probably be another couple of weeks before you begin to really level out and once you do, you can begin to reduce. You won't need to be on subs for very long and in fact could be ready to jump in about three months. I know that sounds like a long time but remember, once you get stable, you are going to feel pretty good.

    Don't mess with your dose by reducing or taking a bit more. Settle on your daily dose and don't change it AT ALL until you are feeling much, much better. Keep checking in here to let us know how you're feeling and try to be as specific as you can with telling us what symptoms you are having and how acute they are. Don't guess. Ask questions and we'll help you. Please, please be patient and don't change your dose for now.

    Keep posting!

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    [QUOTE=Catrina;532356]There is absolutely nothing cowardly about being terrified of withdrawal symptoms. They are in themselves the single most common reason that we stay actively using. Even when there is little that we want more than to be sober, we manage to delay our detox not because we want one more day to use, we just want one more day to not be sick.

    So, you reduced your dose to 4mg but needed to take a "rescue" dose last night. Please be careful. If you needed that rescue dose, you aren't stable and I'm not surprised. You're coming off of what was still a good size daily dose of methadone and it's going to take you awhile yet. If 6mg had you feeling at least well enough that it's not unbearable, I would stay right there for a while longer to give yourself a chance to get rid of the methadone that is still in your system. You are only a little over a week out since your last methadone dose after many years of having been on it. I wouldn't try to reduce at all for a couple more weeks. I understand that once we make our minds up that we want to be done, we want to be done now but unless you're patient and allow things to settle down, this will be harder than it needs to be.

    Randy, who was on methadone for years too before he made the switch to subs took nine months to complete his taper and jump. However, it was his choice to stay on the subs that long and he could have been done sooner had he wanted to be done sooner. He says he needed to adjust to not using and he just didn't feel ready or strong enough to drop the crutches.

    Right now is going to be the toughest part for you. It sux but you just aren't apt to feel your best until the methadone is gone. Once you get there, you're going to feel much better and only then will you be ready to begin to make reductions. Please just don't rush this no matter how tempted you are. You'll know when it's time to begin to reduce. If you begin to reduce too soon or do it too quickly, you're going to feel like cr*p the entire taper. So instead of just barely getting by like you are now for the next couple of weeks, you'll be struggling for the next few months. While there's not much you can do right now except to wait this out, you'll be glad you did. If you follow the taper plan and go slowly, things should go fairly smoothly and if you reduce all the way down to less than .25mg/day, your jump won't be nearly as bad as you're feeling right now. The key, my friend, is to exercise every bit of patience you have now in order to wait until you are completely stable. Then, you can follow the plan as though you had never been on methadone. Right now, it's screwing with you.

    I encourage you to stay at the 6mg/day for now. It will probably be another couple of weeks before you begin to really level out and once you do, you can begin to reduce. You won't need to be on subs for very long and in fact could be ready to jump in about three months. I know that sounds like a long time but remember, once you get stable, you are going to feel pretty good.

    Don't mess with your dose by reducing or taking a bit more. Settle on your daily dose and don't change it AT ALL until you are feeling much, much better. Keep checking in here to let us know how you're feeling and try to be as specific as you can with telling us what symptoms you are having and how acute they are. Don't guess. Ask questions and we'll help you. Please, please be patient and don't change your dose for now.

    Keep posting!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Catrina View Post
    There is absolutely nothing cowardly about being terrified of withdrawal symptoms. They are in themselves the single most common reason that we stay actively using. Even when there is little that we want more than to be sober, we manage to delay our detox not because we want one more day to use, we just want one more day to not be sick.

    So, you reduced your dose to 4mg but needed to take a "rescue" dose last night. Please be careful. If you needed that rescue dose, you aren't stable and I'm not surprised. You're coming off of what was still a good size daily dose of methadone and it's going to take you awhile yet. If 6mg had you feeling at least well enough that it's not unbearable, I would stay right there for a while longer to give yourself a chance to get rid of the methadone that is still in your system. You are only a little over a week out since your last methadone dose after many years of having been on it. I wouldn't try to reduce at all for a couple more weeks. I understand that once we make our minds up that we want to be done, we want to be done now but unless you're patient and allow things to settle down, this will be harder than it needs to be.

    Randy, who was on methadone for years too before he made the switch to subs took nine months to complete his taper and jump. However, it was his choice to stay on the subs that long and he could have been done sooner had he wanted to be done sooner. He says he needed to adjust to not using and he just didn't feel ready or strong enough to drop the crutches.

    Right now is going to be the toughest part for you. It sux but you just aren't apt to feel your best until the methadone is gone. Once you get there, you're going to feel much better and only then will you be ready to begin to make reductions. Please just don't rush this no matter how tempted you are. You'll know when it's time to begin to reduce. If you begin to reduce too soon or do it too quickly, you're going to feel like cr*p the entire taper. So instead of just barely getting by like you are now for the next couple of weeks, you'll be struggling for the next few months. While there's not much you can do right now except to wait this out, you'll be glad you did. If you follow the taper plan and go slowly, things should go fairly smoothly and if you reduce all the way down to less than .25mg/day, your jump won't be nearly as bad as you're feeling right now. The key, my friend, is to exercise every bit of patience you have now in order to wait until you are completely stable. Then, you can follow the plan as though you had never been on methadone. Right now, it's screwing with you.

    I encourage you to stay at the 6mg/day for now. It will probably be another couple of weeks before you begin to really level out and once you do, you can begin to reduce. You won't need to be on subs for very long and in fact could be ready to jump in about three months. I know that sounds like a long time but remember, once you get stable, you are going to feel pretty good.

    Don't mess with your dose by reducing or taking a bit more. Settle on your daily dose and don't change it AT ALL until you are feeling much, much better. Keep checking in here to let us know how you're feeling and try to be as specific as you can with telling us what symptoms you are having and how acute they are. Don't guess. Ask questions and we'll help you. Please, please be patient and don't change your dose for now.

    Keep posting!

    Peace,

    Cat


    Is it weird that checked for a reply about 15 times today? Lol. I'm going to stay at my 6mg dose no matter what. I've been taking 4mg in the morning and then about 1-2 mg in the later afternoon. I've got the strips at the moment and it's kinda hard to cut them exactly, although I know I'm not going above 6 mg at the moment. Im staying right where I'm at until I start to feel better. It's not so much the withdrawal symptoms as much as the emotional effects in my mood and my thinking. I'm still a week away from a doctors appointment for the subs but I am determined to stay where I am at with the dose. I will be honest with the doctor and nod my head yes and no just to get my script but I will trust you and Randy more than anyone. If feels weird putting my faith and my actual life in the hands of some strangers that I've never met but sometimes you just have to trust your gut and mine tells me that you all know what's best for me.

    I feel bad in the morning until the 4mg dose and then in the afternoon, I start getting sweaty with running nose and it's an alert that it's time for the other 2 mg. But like I said, that's as far as it s going for me. Although sometimes, especially at the moment and through these tough emotional days when I cry and cry over how my life has turned out, I sometimes wonder if it's possible or if I'm even strong enough to get through this. My wife is such an amazing woman and excepts me for me and everything that comes with me. Her and my son are just my heartbeat and I can't let her or him down in this process. I'm praying that my mood and my emotions stabilize once the methadone starts to work its way out. It's just a struggle EVERY SINGLE day to get by that. I'm not even a crier but I've cried more in the past 10 days then I have the past 10 years.

    As you might tell, sleeping is an issue at the moment but I'm praying that also stabilizes as I become stable on the sub. While 3 months of being on subs scares me to death at the moment, it's better than where I was and where I was headed in a never ending fog of methadone abuse. I just keep trying to tell myself that my brain will adjust and my emotions will become more and more stable. But like I said, I'm all over the place with feelings these past few days. I'm assuming that I just have to try and fight them best I can. Again, I just pray that god gives me the strength to do so. I don't want to let my family down with a failure of any kind. They need me here and I want to be here for them and everything that comes down the line.


    Thank you so much for your help and support. I know you have many others on here that you are trying to help but please keep me on that list. Your words mean everything to me as I'm going through this and I am constantly looking for help. You are my support here and I appreciate you're advice so much. I will update tomorrow as well. Hopefully, I can get some sleep tonight as I've only been getting 2-3 at the most. That may be one of the toughest parts to deal with but I'm doing my best. Thanks for your support. Please don't forget about me, I need your help and guidance. Thanks again. Talk to you soon.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Ukcat5fan View Post
    Is it weird that checked for a reply about 15 times today? Lol. I'm going to stay at my 6mg dose no matter what. I've been taking 4mg in the morning and then about 1-2 mg in the later afternoon. I've got the strips at the moment and it's kinda hard to cut them exactly, although I know I'm not going above 6 mg at the moment. Im staying right where I'm at until I start to feel better. It's not so much the withdrawal symptoms as much as the emotional effects in my mood and my thinking. I'm still a week away from a doctors appointment for the subs but I am determined to stay where I am at with the dose. I will be honest with the doctor and nod my head yes and no just to get my script but I will trust you and Randy more than anyone. If feels weird putting my faith and my actual life in the hands of some strangers that I've never met but sometimes you just have to trust your gut and mine tells me that you all know what's best for me.

    I feel bad in the morning until the 4mg dose and then in the afternoon, I start getting sweaty with running nose and it's an alert that it's time for the other 2 mg. But like I said, that's as far as it s going for me. Although sometimes, especially at the moment and through these tough emotional days when I cry and cry over how my life has turned out, I sometimes wonder if it's possible or if I'm even strong enough to get through this. My wife is such an amazing woman and excepts me for me and everything that comes with me. Her and my son are just my heartbeat and I can't let her or him down in this process. I'm praying that my mood and my emotions stabilize once the methadone starts to work its way out. It's just a struggle EVERY SINGLE day to get by that. I'm not even a crier but I've cried more in the past 10 days then I have the past 10 years.

    As you might tell, sleeping is an issue at the moment but I'm praying that also stabilizes as I become stable on the sub. While 3 months of being on subs scares me to death at the moment, it's better than where I was and where I was headed in a never ending fog of methadone abuse. I just keep trying to tell myself that my brain will adjust and my emotions will become more and more stable. But like I said, I'm all over the place with feelings these past few days. I'm assuming that I just have to try and fight them best I can. Again, I just pray that god gives me the strength to do so. I don't want to let my family down with a failure of any kind. They need me here and I want to be here for them and everything that comes down the line.


    Thank you so much for your help and support. I know you have many others on here that you are trying to help but please keep me on that list. Your words mean everything to me as I'm going through this and I am constantly looking for help. You are my support here and I appreciate you're advice so much. I will update tomorrow as well. Hopefully, I can get some sleep tonight as I've only been getting 2-3 at the most. That may be one of the toughest parts to deal with but I'm doing my best. Thanks for your support. Please don't forget about me, I need your help and guidance. Thanks again. Talk to you soon.


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    Ukcat5fan - YES, trust the sub therapy/taper plan that Robert came up with! It's proven to be very successful if followed correctly!

    Continue to follow the advice from Randy and Cat because they know how Robert's plan works inside and out! Most problems that people experience on/with the taper are caused when people start to "do things their own way" instead of following the taper as outlined and/or ignoring the expert advice from members like Randy and Cat!

    You are dosing twice a day so it's best to split your dose evenly. It's also very important to dose at the same time everyday 8-10 hours apart!

    Member "HarrySmooth" made a great video on how to cut suboxone film accurately, this video should help you out quite a bit? Here's a link - https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ttZ5ATKb-LE

    Best of luck to you... God bless us all!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ricky71 View Post
    Ukcat5fan - YES, trust the sub therapy/taper plan that Robert came up with! It's proven to be very successful if followed correctly!

    Continue to follow the advice from Randy and Cat because they know how Robert's plan works inside and out! Most problems that people experience on/with the taper are caused when people start to "do things their own way" instead of following the taper as outlined and/or ignoring the expert advice from members like Randy and Cat!

    You are dosing twice a day so it's best to split your dose evenly. It's also very important to dose at the same time everyday 8-10 hours apart!

    Member "HarrySmooth" made a great video on how to cut suboxone film accurately, this video should help you out quite a bit? Here's a link - https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ttZ5ATKb-LE

    Best of luck to you... God bless us all!
    I forgot to mention that the suboxone "film" is actually best for tapering because it is easier and more accurate to divide the smaller doses than the tablets would be! Let the doctor know that you would prefer the film over the tablets, if they ask why, it's because "you have heard from research, friend, etc..." that the film dissolves much faster than the tabs do which is actually very true!

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    Ive been reading some of the taper experiences from other people and most of them say that the reason they suffered all the way through the taper is because of the induction was too high. That's really scaring me because I was ignorant to this fact and inducted at 8 mg after 72 hours of methadone, then 16 mg, then I think I even did 20 mg the next day because I was so scared of the withdrawal. I really hope that I didn't really screw myself for success. After being on methadone for almost 15 yrs and doing a rapid detox from 80- 40 mg before inducing, I just assumed, like I said, out of ignorance that I needed that much. I haven't even been to a doctor yet for my subs (just getting them through a friend).

    My last dose of methadone was 10 days ago and I'm desperately trying to stable my sub dose to 6 mg. It has been so difficult. Randy even mentioned stopping the subs and reinducing at a lower dose. That scares the complete >>>> out of me to do that again but I also don't want to suffer all the way down my taper because of it. So, I don't know what to do. My mood is just the worse. I'm just always so angry, sad, and depressed that I can't stand it. I'm snapping on my wife and child for nothing and I just can't do that. I'm not sleeping, I'm just miserable constantly. I'm not in complete withdrawal but I'm not stable yet either or I think my mind would be a bit better. I know that after 15 yrs of methadone that I'm sure I've done some major damage to my brain. Everyone says to have patience but it's so hard when you suffer everyday. I just don't know what do do. I don't want to suffer through the entire taper but I'm scared of reinducing also.

    What should I do Randy? Cat? Im ok with doing this taper but I have to be able to function and not be a complete jerk to everyone. Im crying all the time. I'm so confused and ignorant on how to go about doing this. It's so overwhelming. Please help me!! I know I have to somehow do this but I'm so scared. Is it necessary for me to reinduce? I really hope not. Please Help!

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    [QUOTE=Ukcat5fan;532486]Ive been reading some of the taper experiences from other people and most of them say that the reason they suffered all the way through the taper is because of the induction was too high. That's really scaring me because I was ignorant to this fact and inducted at 8 mg after 72 hours of methadone, then 16 mg, then I think I even did 20 mg the next day because I was so scared of the withdrawal. I really hope that I didn't really screw myself for success. After being on methadone for almost 15 yrs and doing a rapid detox from 80- 40 mg before inducing, I just assumed, like I said, out of ignorance that I needed that much. I haven't even been to a doctor yet for my subs (just getting them through a friend).

    My last dose of methadone was 10 days ago and I'm desperately trying to stable my sub dose to 6 mg. It has been so difficult. Randy even mentioned stopping the subs and reinducing at a lower dose. That scares the complete >>>> out of me to do that again but I also don't want to suffer all the way down my taper because of it. So, I don't know what to do. My mood is just the worse. I'm just always so angry, sad, and depressed that I can't stand it. I'm snapping on my wife and child for nothing and I just can't do that. I'm not sleeping, I'm just miserable constantly. I'm not in complete withdrawal but


    Im not sure i am replying correctly. Here goes. Ive been on subs for ovee sevenyears. I also got kn them after being addicted to methadone. Sadly i was on that for less then a year. I originally didnt even realise thats what i was taking (100% my fault). I knew my life would never be the same after stopping that and not sleeping for over a week. Anyways back to subs. I searched this and many other resources for the way to get off subs. The pharmacyst told me id have zero wd if i stopped. I literally almost scdeamed at him to never ever say that again and to get some training if he was going to give advice on subs. I have been so scared that i couuldnt just stop and do it. You are feeling your brain healing.dont wallow get up put good music on. If your only three days in id stop and see. As of today i am four days ofc subs and i know im not in tbe clear yet but it hasent been bad at all. It never got worse then what i felt as i started to go i to wd when i forgot to dose or ran out for one day. I did taper though.

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