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    Hi,

    I'm on day 4 of jumping off 8/2mg twice a day for 1 year.
    I ran out while my GP was on holiday and decided I am not going back to them.
    No taper no, and yes I know I'm mad.

    I had a 1000+mg Dihydrocodeine addiction some years ago, and even using the Thomas method barely made a dent.
    Half a dozen Klonopin and my body would laugh at me.
    It was brutal.

    Jumping off so high, I am expecting nothing better than before.
    Knowing what to expect may help a little, but I am thinking 2 weeks of serious WD.
    I am very lucky being in IT and permitted to work remote.

    I have the usual vit supps and an open script for bromazepam.
    These will help, but I am still expecting major pain.

    Thanks for reading. I'll keep you posted.
    This forum is amazing, and reading all the sub stories has solidified my determination to do such an extreme jump.

    I'll make it, but I sure as he** am not looking forward to it.

    Peace,
    Locuseye
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    Good morning, I noticed know one had replied, so I'd thought I'd say hello, and say not sure about the jumping from 16mg sound more than harsh, but if you just need to talk during your wds and need to vent keep typing , I'll try to pop in and see how your doing as much as I can...
    From what I've heard when ppl jump from higher doses they don't usually get hit hard for week or two , but everyone is different
    Stay strong..
    D.
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    Hang in there Locus. Admire your courage for taking the first step.

    Do you have people around to support you and help you, physically and mentally? The sooner you can get that in place the better.

    The more you can be outside and on your feet walking the better. Keep posting.
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    Thank you formy and uncle.
    It is uplifting to have some response.

    I was amazed I got some sleep last night but, took half my Bromazepam script and otc sleep aid (Anti-hist).
    My GP is being cool, and said he would up me to Clonazepam high dose and add Gabapentin.

    The RLS not too bad yet, but I am pusing high potassium supps, along with gaba, tyrosine and magnesium supps.
    I have a body building multi-vit called 'Aminal Pak', which is truly amazing and recommended.

    I will drop the rest tonight and hope it has the same effect until the new script.

    Apart from a mate in Japan via messages, I have no support, but it will have to do.

    Apart from the usual sweats and soul-death that comes with opioid WD, I am feeling pretty solid.
    If anything it seems too easy compared to the DHC withdrawal.
    Keep hoping I will just be lucky on this one, but nah...not going to happen.


    Thanks for the support.

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    Hey Locuseye
    Welcome! How's it going today? Should be ok. Plenty of sub still in you. Drink plenty of water now to help flush out the rest!
    Hang in there! You can do this!
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    Hi Ming,

    End of Day 6. Beginnings of the worst WD starting, but night time is always worse.
    I am holding on to the last my my script as late as possible, so I can get to sleep.

    Tomorrow I get stronger stuff. One day at a time.

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    Hang in there I am rooting for you.
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    Just dropping in to see how you are feeling today?
    You got the right attitude and that is really important!

    I am glad your MD is willing to help!

    Imodium the liquid kind helps with more than just the bathroom issues because it binds to the
    Receptor sites in the body but does not cross the brain blood barrier
    So no high!

    But it really does help !

    just be careful with it..

    I will check later on
    Take care!
    Bette
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    How many times now have you detox'd from opiates? Sounds like you have quite a bit of experience from your posts. The Imodium should definitely help. Doin great

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    Brutal brutal night.

    I am breaking my bed with the kicking.
    Remainding meds had no effect...a very long night ahead

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    Good Morning,

    So the night behind, and not a good one.
    I drop all the my vits in the morning and managed to sleep without issue with the hangover of the meds helping.
    It's some respite with the next night looming.

    Uncle, I detoxed once before for DHC (A product called Martindale 118).
    Was very high doses and sadly very easy to come by via online 'Pharmacies' in the UK, that get their GP to issue the script to an actual pharmacy and has your name on the script, and deliver to your door.
    I went through a $130/100 40mg pills every 4 days for a long time.
    My only detox before but very bad.
    The Thomas method did not help much. I had a pile of Benzos that never touched sides.
    That took 2 weeks, but the first week was a blur.
    When I woke up my wife had left and my house looked like a bomb site.

    Maybe that's why I expect an easier ride this time.

    All my meds are gone except for the vits.
    I am now just hanging on for my GP to script me stuff that can make a dent.
    Bromazepam was a joke.

    Asked for 'Pins, Gabapent and Ambien.

    Hanging in for now. Must resist the urge to sleep in the day.

    Thanks all.

    Locuseye
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    Hey, I had a not so good night to.. and I can't imagine what your going through from that big of a jump. If you can get some help from your GP that would be great... i assume you no the deal with that gabapatin (not sure the spelling) I have heard to be careful with that.. like 7 days at most or you'll have issues with wd from that as well so use wisely. I never used that stuff just repeating what I've read.. so maybe do some research while you can...
    Your a tough Dude buddy... makes me feel like a wimp hearing what your doing lol
    Keep strong,
    Jump around and read some threads if you can, it helps at times
    D.
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    Jesus 2 days in and not doing good? You don't have to jump at 16.... Taper down for a month and jump at least!

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    Quote Originally Posted by dsh12345 View Post
    Jesus 2 days in and not doing good? You don't have to jump at 16.... Taper down for a month and jump at least!
    Hi Mate, going into 7 days.
    It is a steep jump but I have my reasons.
    Without prior, similar experience I would not attempt it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by locuseye View Post
    Hi Mate, going into 7 days.
    It is a steep jump but I have my reasons.
    Without prior, similar experience I would not attempt it.
    OK... hang in there! Still rooting for you. As long as your brain is mentally prepared for a long haul battle, and you seem to be ready to know what you're jumping into, there is hope and I am rooting for you!
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    Quote Originally Posted by formysake_nowwhat View Post
    Hey, I had a not so good night to.. and I can't imagine what your going through from that big of a jump. If you can get some help from your GP that would be great... i assume you no the deal with that gabapatin (not sure the spelling) I have heard to be careful with that.. like 7 days at most or you'll have issues with wd from that as well so use wisely. I never used that stuff just repeating what I've read.. so maybe do some research while you can...
    Your a tough Dude buddy... makes me feel like a wimp hearing what your doing lol
    Keep strong,
    Jump around and read some threads if you can, it helps at times
    D.
    Hi, Sorry you didn't have a good night.
    After some arm twisting I did get the gabapentin and 2mg clonazepam (Equiv to about 40mg valium).
    I will read up more on the gaba-p.
    Target A is to get to bearable.
    I believe by day 12 I will be there, and manage with less hardcore meds for functioning.

    Hang tight dude. We will make it. Thanks for checking in.

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    I once take a 2mg clonazepam at 4am and woke up at 9pm the next day.

    I was so confused where I was, what had happened, where my day went. It took a whole 5 minutes to retrace the steps of the previous day in my sleepy head before I finally figured out I had slept 17 hours and woke up at 9pm.

    I looked up the half life of clonazepam... it is quite long.

    I think it's why its preferred to Ativan and Xanax when giving benzos... always long acting over short.

    But the half life is wayyy too long for me. So, if you take that stuff and feel super tired and lethargic, it could be due to the benzo and not the opiate wd.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dsh12345 View Post
    I once take a 2mg clonazepam at 4am and woke up at 9pm the next day.

    I was so confused where I was, what had happened, where my day went. It took a whole 5 minutes to retrace the steps of the previous day in my sleepy head before I finally figured out I had slept 17 hours and woke up at 9pm.

    I looked up the half life of clonazepam... it is quite long.

    I think it's why its preferred to Ativan and Xanax when giving benzos... always long acting over short.

    But the half life is wayyy too long for me. So, if you take that stuff and feel super tired and lethargic, it could be due to the benzo and not the opiate wd.
    Thanks for the insight dsh.
    I believe you are right, even with the bromazepam I feel like a zombie, but I think also with lack of sleep and the terrible sleep quality that comes with benzos.
    I think they are evil but in times like this, all that remains is detox under anesthesia or unimaginable suffering.

    Getting to sleep is first prize.
    I reckon I can deal with all the aftermath, rather than kicking in sweats for hours waiting for morning at what seems like half speed to any other type of sleeplessness.

    I am diagnosed ADD, so have the option of Ritalin LA each morning if it is just too much to even function.

    Cheers,
    Locuseye

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    I have trawled the forum about GABAp, thanks to formysakes's, comments.

    It seems like a hot topic of contention, but mostly people seem to have had great success on the correct dosage.

    Mine is arriving in 30 mins, and frankly I can't wait to see if it works for me.

    Any others who have used it with success, please chime in on your experiences.

    L

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    Hey, I just wanted to remind you: Never forget the power of the human body.

    I would guess back when you were using you could take 500mg oxycodone and not die, maybe sleep, or maybe not even that, but you would be ok, right? That's a dose that is likely 5x more than what is needed to KILL an opiate-naive person. Your body has adjusted to balance out 500mg worth of respiratory depressant drug and not even feel bad.. but LIKE it.

    So, when you stop that 500mg oxycodone, all those stimulating systems your body ramped up to equalize out the oxycodone and continue breathing are acting completely unopposed and unchecked.

    Hence the jittery, restless legs, no sleep for days, etc.

    That's why things like clonidine (works like a beta blocker, but is an alpha agonist which is INHIBITORY in the brain so like an alpha blocker) and benzos work. I'm surprised stimulants like adderall cocaine don't work well in withdrawal cuz you would think the dopamine surge they provide would help, but that just goes to show you how complicated opiates are and all the things they do besides release dopamine.
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    Morning Folks,

    I can barely believe it.

    1200mg GABAp on its own, and after an hour calm and no shakes.
    All my vits a hour later
    2mg Clonazepam at 9pm and woke up at 8am.

    I can barely walk in a straight line, but I still have calm after another 600mg GABAp this morning.

    I am sticking with this regimen, but as for now, I feel only drowsy from the benzo, and some mind sadness from the WD.
    I knew what to expect from the 'pins', but the GABAp I am very surprised.

    I took way beyond the normal dose, but this is for off-label use.
    1200mg was my sweetspot and it seems to be holding it's own, even with follow up 600mg maintenance.

    Difference to yesterday is night and day.

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    Hey Locus
    Glad u feel better. Be careful w the high doses! Keep posting and hang in there.
    Today is day 8? You can do this! Proud of you! You in Australia?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ming23 View Post
    Hey Locus
    Glad u feel better. Be careful w the high doses! Keep posting and hang in there.
    Today is day 8? You can do this! Proud of you! You in Australia?
    Hi Ming,

    South Africa.
    I am a big guy. 130kg, so mg/kg usually applies, hence the 1200 GABAp.
    I will drop it to 1000, then to 800 until a reach a dose that does not work.

    I think it has a lot to do with the GABAp that the clonazepam works so quickly.
    It's the RLS that negates the benzos.
    Like I said 12mg clon the last time had no effect other then make me stumble around.

    Very synergistic.
    Very relieved.

    Thanks and tc.

    Locus

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    Locus
    Wow! South Africa! This virtual tool is fantastic, eh? Here we are chatting away, continents apart. I'm in Florida, USA.
    Well, big guy, be careful w high doses of anything, u know.
    Eat light and drink plenty of water. You're doing great!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ming23 View Post
    Locus
    Wow! South Africa! This virtual tool is fantastic, eh? Here we are chatting away, continents apart. I'm in Florida, USA.
    Well, big guy, be careful w high doses of anything, u know.
    Eat light and drink plenty of water. You're doing great!
    It is cool
    Thank you mate!
    I'll update Day 9, and hopefully the same or better to report.
    L
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    Hey Locus!
    Sorry for not chiming in here sooner!
    Good job at staying strong! 16MG?? OhEmGeee! You're big and strong I'm assuming )

    Btw, Gabapentin works WONDERS I heard. I tried some Gabapenfin when I was trying to induct on sub and did GREAT! But it makes me very sleepy and tired. And I only took 600mg!

    I plan on using Gaba/Clonidine combo for a few days when I jump sub. Keeping fingers crossed it happens soon...

    Good luck to u and God bless!!
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    Thanks Vlad,

    The GABAp really has made the difference.
    I dropped my dose to 800mg last night and still felt calm enough for the 2mg clon to work.
    Days are drowsy, but I sleep which is first prize for me.

    The soul-death and and sadness is very mild, as are the cold sensitivities.
    I am in south africa summer which helps.
    The DHC jump was during a UK winter, and I was dressed for skiing while others were in t-shirts.

    I am feeling blessed with the success of my regimen.
    The cynic in me is waiting for a surprise hit, but one day at a time, and for the last two days I am coping well.

    Day 9 and hopeful

    L

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    I'm glad you have found relief, you sound like your doing good..
    Thanks for the optimist words on my page,,,
    And whats the time difference their in South Africa
    I'm on the east coast, United states.
    Hope you have a good day
    D.
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    Quote Originally Posted by formysake_nowwhat View Post
    I'm glad you have found relief, you sound like your doing good..
    Thanks for the optimist words on my page,,,
    And whats the time difference their in South Africa
    I'm on the east coast, United states.
    Hope you have a good day
    D.
    Not sure where you are, but diff between me and Philly is I am 6 hours ahead.

    TBH, I have hit a wall today out of nowhere, just pushing vits and trying not to knock myself with booze.
    Sometimes you gotta take the pain and focus on the goal, counting the days you would have to do again if I relapse.
    My GP would give me taper in a second but I refuse.
    It doesn't make it easier.

    I have asked for clonidine, more GagaP high dose so I don't drop so many.
    Couple tough days ahead.

    Got out the house today. Took my retriever for a drive and a walk, also because he is so worried about me new behaviour.
    It helped.

    L

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    Hey man, just wanted to say again I'm following your story and rooting for you.
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