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    Default Looking for taper buddies and positive influences!

    Hello! I have posted a few times on other folks posts and it was suggested to start one for myself as well, as I take the journey down Taper Road. I have been on subs for roughly 7 years (long time, I know), and tapered fro 16mgs down to 3 and steadily decreasing every month. Going slow with the help of my sub doc (who is awesome, and keeping me on track) and am in the home stretch! Anyone else out there who wants a support buddy and go through the final stages with humor, positive vibes and someone to talk to, please jump on in!

    I was addicted to oxy 80s and chose suboxone treatment. It saved my life and gave me the break I needed to rebuild the sh!t show I had created for myself. I haven't relapsed on oxy or any other drug since my treatment started and now, 7 years later (gulp), I am taking the plunge to wean off subs. Yay me!
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    Hey there...hats off to ya for making that decision...i too am at the end of a LONG taper.... i came here cause absolutely no one in my life is on the same page....here i have found the support i need.... others here are better suited to help you with your taper apparently a guy named robert used to help people here so that's the basic advice they give...and the basic advice i try to follow...i have never met robert or read his thread or anything but others have....ALEX for instance seems like a stand up guy who successful ly used roberts general taper plan and got off subs with a relative soft landing....kat and rose are general just caring good people..... at least those are my impression of them....myself ill offer to be your taper buddy


    when i got here i was doing it MY way and it wasn't working..... i have recived genuine good advice here in a nonjudgmental way....

    ask alex what your next drop should be...he accuratly got me to a lower dose i simply could not do on my own even tho its a si
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    Sorry my post got cut off...anyways... that's all i had to say... i can offer support...the only advice is develope a taper plan with alex roberts or anyone who been here longer then me and well be here to support you.... it helped me tremendously as i reely found this site kinda by accident and never realized i would actually benifit so much.....kinda sucked me in haha.

    anyway hope it works for you too!! Peace jay

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    I actually just finished reading your entire thread before I saw your reply to mine! How are you doing? I find it neat to read folks threads from the beginning up to today and how everyone gets to be friends and find support thru one another. I am going at this alone kinda. My husband knows I am doing this but he has never touched a drug in his life so he cant relate to what I go through sometimes and I cut myself off from all friends 7 yrs ago because most, if not all used drugs and some still do, even 7 yrs later, their lives haven't changed much from when I hung out with them. So, its just lil ole me having a go at this taper plan! Been a very smooth taper down and havent had any issues or withdrawals at the lower doses every month which is awesome! Slow and steady is the way to go for me.

    I work at a zoo and own some exotic reptiles and animals as well so tonight I spent some quality time with my lizards, letting them free roam around the house, which is a nice mental break from thinking about all this taper stuff.

    Tomorrow is supposed to be a great spring day and I pulled the overnight shift straw for tomorrow evening so I'm gonna take advantage of the nice weather before work and bring my dogs hiking. Looking forward to some fresh air and exercise!

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    Hey ther i just typed out a long thought out response and then my phone froze up...(ya I'm on my phone computer is out) I'm suprisingly quick..neway....oh what was i sayinh

    ya i can relate to drifting away/cutting off old friends....if you try to save someone from drowning make sure yourself can swim and even then they can pull ya under with them...

    ya i think this forum has like minded people with the idea that a proper taper and one can walk away from this stuff and still handle responsability (jobs family responsabities) etc with minimal discomfort...a softer landing so to speak at least that's my idea..... and that's what broughy me here...as i was saying people here seem pretty nonjudgmental yet will tell you the truth wether you want to hear it or not

    you said you read thru my thread...then you can see i was kinda a mess withought the help and support of others....so ya even tho your husband can't excactly know what u goin thru and your old freinds are gone i think you'll find plenty of taper support here...i actually spent a lot of time here in the past 24-48 hours and have gained some insight....

    anyways working at a zoo sounds freeking awesome! Food for thought for my next career move...hehe

    you mentioned getting out and getting excercise...imma do that tomorro...you'll find people suggesting. excercise and its a great suggestion...i haven't in over two weeks but gonna push myself too again.....anyways its gettin late ill be back tomorro to see how things are going....hopefully you will have developed a taper plan by then if you haven't already...someone here will help you with that I'm sure and i i promise you its not that bad...not easy and some days are downright hard...but overall its very doable...I'm at .66 and struggle but can see the light at the end of the tunnel and can't wait to go for it when i get to the finish line ill meet ya ther!! Bet...well peace jay

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    Working there is amazing and talk about a reason to stay motivated to remain far away fm oxys and the drug life. Been working as an animal care specialist for roughly 3 years and I love it. The title sounds cool, but basically I am a glorified habitat cleaner. haha. nah, its better than that. I get to care for animals, interact with them and make sure they get their needs met the same as if they were in the wild. I mainly work with birds and reptiles and do tours for kids.

    I've been gearing up for the main taper event by putting everything in place first. I've started eating better, exercising and keeping my eye on the prize by staying extremely positive. Honestly, when my doctor said "its time to taper off" a few months ago I started getting wicked anxious and that led me to start taking more than my usual dose and running out of meds days early which caused wicked bad withdrawals. It was only when I took a step back and said "what the hell are you doing, you got this" that I regained control and got back on track and its been smooth sailing since. I cant obsess over any of it or else I panic so I just roll with it. So much easier being laid back!

    well I am rambling so I will end it here and hit the hay!

    Thanks fo replying to my post!

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    I am currently at 3.5mg a day on my taper, although mine started at 4mg. I would love someone who is at the same dosage in their taper as I am to keep in touch with. What is your taper plan? Mine is listed in my thread "wanting to start tapering off subutex and jump any advise is WELCOME". I posted a taper plan before getting advise and a 2nd once getting suggestions from a few members here. The latter of the two plans is what I am following feel free to check it out and see if we will be dropping and jumping at roughly the same time hope you keep in touch and stay positive, I know that I can use all the help I can get to stay strong!

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    Hey! My dr has me on a super slow taper at the moment but told me its entirely up to me if I wanna go slow, medium or fast. It took me a few months at first to get stable at 3 mgs because for like 2 or 3 months at the start of the initial taper process I would freak and take more on some days, causing me to run out early and hit 3 or 4 days of withdrawals before my refill.

    Next month when I see her, she will cut me back by 2 pills in the script (right now I get 42 pills for 28 days), so instead of taking 3mgs all week, one of the days I will take 2 mgs. So like monday - thursday its 3 mgs, fri 2 mgs, then sat -sun back to 3 mgs and repeat until next appt where I then add another day at 2 mgs. So as you can see, thats a really long and slow taper. At first, cutting down from 16 mg to 6 mg we did it kinda quick and i never had any issues with feeling icky as the dose lowered but I got stuck at like 6 mg and ran into the whole thing of taking more and going backwards so she slowed it to a snails pace until I get comfortable and confident again.

    having an awesome dr and really good health insurance helps alot too. For the generic subs, I only pay 15 a month plus the office copay of 25. I definately want off them and if its means just a few more months, so be it. I refuse to put pressure on myself by obsessing over tapering off quickly, rushing through it and then relapsing. Doing it right the first time so I never have to do it again! Thats my story, and I'm sticking to it. Haha!

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    One of the things I see people talking about is getting high off subs or feeling foggy, unmotivatd, lethargic or a shell of their former self and I dont ever feel any of those things and ive been on them for years. For me, I just feel normal. I felt all those things using oxys and other pain meds. I never left the house when I was using. Hell, I never left the sofa. Lmao. I used to wake up, snort pills all day and be a couch potato shut in. The only time I left the comfort of my drug induced laziness was to get more pills. Hahaha. The past 7 years since stopping the oc 80s, ive made a complete 360 and got off the sofa, out the door and started living again. I never ever wanna go back to that lifestyle and havent touched my drug of choice or anything else like that in 7 yrs. Wooo hoo! Last thing left is tapering off the tool I used to help me make those life changes and I'm golden!!!!!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by raven14 View Post
    One of the things I see people talking about is getting high off subs or feeling foggy, unmotivatd, lethargic or a shell of their former self and I dont ever feel any of those things and ive been on them for years. For me, I just feel normal. I felt all those things using oxys and other pain meds. I never left the house when I was using. Hell, I never left the sofa. Lmao. I used to wake up, snort pills all day and be a couch potato shut in. The only time I left the comfort of my drug induced laziness was to get more pills. Hahaha. The past 7 years since stopping the oc 80s, ive made a complete 360 and got off the sofa, out the door and started living again. I never ever wanna go back to that lifestyle and havent touched my drug of choice or anything else like that in 7 yrs. Wooo hoo! Last thing left is tapering off the tool I used to help me make those life changes and I'm golden!!!!!!!!

    Welcome.....I'm sure you'll find what you're looking for here. I completed my taper on jan 2 2014. I used this forum as a tool and it worked great.

    My advice:
    Read Robert 325 taper plan at least 10 times
    Post your plan
    Listen to feed back from advanced members. In my case Alex went above and beyond, but several helped. Too many to name.
    Find a taper buddy, this is a great idea. I had a couple.

    Stick to your plan and post progress here. Most of us have a few minor bumps and become 100% opiate free in a few months.

    Good luck,


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    Thanks Lincoln! One thing I do wanna ask, have you, or have you heard of anyone, who got ringing in the ears constantly on lower doses? Thats the only thing I have found at the lower doses and some days it drives me a lil batty. Haha. Feels like my head was in a big bell at the time it was rung. Bonggggggggg!

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    Hey i seen tennesse kid is about the same.dose as you...so.bouncing ideas between eachother may prove benificail...of course any of us that is true for....

    secondly not that ther is anything wrong with it but are you getting the 2mg pills? I get the 8mg strips and cut them into peices...the strips easier to divide up....then again i get the 8mg.....so my idea was


    maybe you get the 2mg strips? I wish i could...man they would make it easier....

    anyways just a thought i had and wondered if you had thought of that too...hope your daygoes well i got a really busy day..gotta run peace jay

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    Funny you ask that. A few months back, my dr said that she received notification that everyone in her practice needed to go on the strips and I got a script for the 2 mg strips which was fine by me but the next month the private pharmacy I go to said that requirement was lifted due to a lawsuit or something (honestly I wasnt listening to him, just nodding and smiling) and they switched to the generic pills and thats what I get. I have to use the pharmacy at my drs hospital per my contract with her. They are very strict there. The pharmacy doesnt carry the strips anymore, just generic pills. Weird I know but I just do what they say. My dr is phenominal and I have seen how strict and tough she can be with other patients so I wouldnt even wanna ask to get the strips out of some unfounded fear no doubt, thatt she would think I was up to something wonky like selling them, because im the type that sticks to one thing and never deviates from that and she knows that about me. I can picture this scene in my head where im sitting in her office with a hot spot light over me and her circling the chair saying "so, you want strips now do ya? What for? Why the sudden change and interest in strips? Talk dammit! Who you selling them too?". Or something like that. Hahaha.

    Ya, I know, bit dramatic.... Bwahahahah!

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    Hey Raven. Your posts crack me up. Good to see you are tapering slow. I'm like you, the suboxone pretty much saved my life. I never got high on them, just felt normal and in the beginning they took the "cravings" away. I haven't touched another opiate (or really any other drug for that matter) in years. I just woke up everyday and took my sub like it was a vitamin or something. I just knew I needed it not to be sick. But, the time has come. Can't be on this forever. (I thought I would be). There's a few of us in the tapering process right now and I really love talking to people and the support and advice we get. At first I was still doing it "my way" but now I'm doing "Robert's plan" and so far haven't had any problems at all. Besides the nasty sweating. Ugh I hate that.

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    Raven

    Here's the taper plan Lincoln mentioned. It sounds like you have a good doctor, most here don't have a doctor who wants to work with them. Usually they want to keep their patients on subs long-term. Since your doctor is agreeable to tapering you might mention this plan to her and see what she thinks. I only say this because it works, many of us used this plan and had very minimal symptoms.

    https://www.drugs.com/forum/featured...apy-50887.html

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    Hey Raven and welcome!

    There are quite a few of us on here tapering off! I am almost complete done with "Roberts taper plan" on my second skip attempt, I can honestly say today I feel pretty normal! First time in a few weeks! Once you get out of your head its gonna be hard, you start realizing how easy it really is . I have a ton of work to do online today...I will def check out your thread in a bit! Just wanted to say welcome and I will be your taper buddy glad to have you on board!

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    I am definately gonna show her the taper plan. She will be thrilled to see that I am getting past my stuck point and reaching out to go a bit quicker on the taper! My biggest fear is relapsing back to oxy which is ridiculous considering I havent a clue where to even buy it on the street now.

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    I was told I give to much credit to the subs for staying off oxy. My fear isnt really the initial slight withdrawals, its the HUGE fear of an oxy relapse months later and disappointing myself and family. I dont give myself enough credit or belive in myself enough. It wasnt the subs that did it all, really, the pill didnt erase my contact list, move 45 minutes away, get a new job, remarry, buy a house, etc, etc. I did all that BUT, its the fear of without the sub, I cant stay the course. Sounds absolutely ridiculous, doesn't it? One word C R U T C H! I know that. Its only been since my doctor said those 3 words " TIME TO TAPER", that this fear has erupted. Im in a support group and the person who runs them was on subs for years but has been clean and clear of everything for years. I am afraid the support group wont be enough down the road.

    The 7 years ive been in the program I guess I have been on autopilot. Going through life not giving any thought to the day I no longer will be on subs. Ive done the cognitive behavior therapy class, realizing triggers, what to do when I encounter them, etc and its like taking a survivalist class, you take notes but your never really prepared until you get dumped in the jungle, naked with just a spoon. Then you stand there staring at the spoon, thinking, "gee, I hope that naked spoon lecture I took works". Hahaha
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    Hahaha...Your funny. Sounds like your on the right path. I think your doing the best thing for yourself right now by NOT trusting yourself. I really think thats the best thing you can possible do to make sure you stay clean. Avoid people and situations that you know you can't handle yet. Then if the day comes you can handle those situations great, if it doesn't and you gotta avoid them...psh whatever works.

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    I read something someone posted before about everyone 'hoping" to be who they were before pills etc. They made a good point we will NEVER be that person again. Why would we want to be?! That person was in denial, that person was niave, that person got us into trouble. We are better and stronger and smarter. Lived and learned the hard way. So just trust your instinct. If your body is telling you red flag run...then by all means run lol. Your gonna be fine just keep doing what your doing. Its working.

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    I could never be that person again before pills even if I tried. To many things have happened in my life that changed me. For the better though. Before pills, I had to be accepted and go along with what everyone else was doing. Thats what got me into trouble. Now I could care less what everyone else is doing and if i fit in. I do what makes ME happy, not what makes everyone else happy. Took me a long time to get there, thats for sure. I was always a people pleaser and found myself miserable. Everyone else was happy and I was secretly resentful but put a smile on my face and kept my mouth shut. Ugh. No way I'd ever want to be like that again. Quickest way to ensure your a doormat is by never saying "no" to people. I quickly discovered it definately wasnt a two way street, because lots of people I would help had no problem saying no to me but expected me to never say no to them. But thats in the past, and have been pretty damn happy the last few years with life =)
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    It's funny, isn't it that people think that they can go back to being the same person before pills. Robert_325 and a few people on the "need to talk" board came up with this: "Once you are a pickle you can never be a cucumber again" I mean they were even talking t-shirts, LOL. But that's good that people don't have the expectation that you're ever going to be the person you were before. I mean, after you graduate H.S., are you going to be the same person? After you've been married? After you have a child? All of life's great events change you.

    Raven: I want to speak to you of your taper. I know you are going slowly and following your docs advice, and I'm not downing that advice at all, just want to say that first, nor am I judging. It's just that many doctors do not know a heck of a lot about subs, other than what they've learned in a short in-service and a test they have to take.(in no way am I saying your doc is a bad doc) But you know that one day where you only take 2mg.? Really, it's pointless because you have so much sub built up in your system, that your body isn't missing that 1mg. at all, even if you do 2 days at 2mg. I mean, it's really pointless as far as the amount of sub in your body goes. It probably wouldn't matter much if you went to 2mg. (which is .25% drop) and you stabilized after a few days. You may have some w/d symptoms, or you could drop to 2.5mg. which is a lesser drop and you may not even feel it. The point is your taper would go faster. I guess I'm just confused that your doctor would take you through a taper that long. It sounds like it would take around 6 months for you to get to 2mg. I mean tell me if I have that wrong. Just sounds unnecessarily slow to me. At 3mg. with only a drop of 1mg. roughly 4 times a month, isn't really doing anything. I know that docs understand methadone and you DO have to taper that very slow and it can take a few years from a high dose, but subs are not like methadone that way. In fact many meth. people taper to around 25mg. or lower and jump to subs to avoid the w/d. I do, applaud your doctor for taking the bull by the horns and being willing to wean you off slowly, but in my honest opinion, I believe it's unnecessarily slow. You can tell me if I'm off the rails or whatever. I'm just curious. I'm not trying to sell you on anything, because bottom line: this is YOUR taper and YOUR experience.

    I'm going to post the sub taper for you. This is a faster taper and not meant to be taken to heart by people that have been on subs as long as you have. It's meant for people who are just coming off of high levels of opiates and the idea by the 8 week taper is that people won't become addicted or so dependent on the suboxone. People that have been on subs long term as you have sometimes make smaller drops or .20% or even .10% and stay at that dose longer, until they are ready for the next drop. I know that you must taper slower than what is outlined in the taper plan. Read Kenn2727's thread: Ken2727's own Thread and also Iwantoff (Kat's thread).

    https://www.drugs.com/forum/featured...apy-50887.html

    Again, I'm not pushing anything at you and feel free to ignore this, as I said: this is YOUR taper. I do not want to make you mad or anything, I guess that's the reason for kinda tap dancing here. You are such a positive influence on this board and I enjoy reading your posts uplifting others.

    Peace: Rose
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    Oh, geez, I just posted all this and see that Sharks has already posted the taper to you.

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    Raven: You've got the right attitude. It's scary wondering if you'll ever pick up a pill again. But remember, you are not being dumped in the jungle nekked with just a spoon. LMAO. Believe it or not you've picked up ways of coping with the possibility of relapse. Keep that thought to the BACK of your mind to examine every now and again, we all need to be forever vigilant, it is a healthy fear. If the support group isn't enough, check out NA or AA, take the time to find a group you are comfortable with, or even a few groups. Having someone to call f2f is priceless.
    On a kinda funny note, I was at work, bored and trolling the boards and this woman posted that she had found a stash of her vikes from a while ago. She was literally staring at the pills in her hand. I gave her my e-mail address, advised her to flush them asap, kept talking to her. Told her I'd be back here after a meeting: What did she do? She doused them in dish soap, I laughed so hard, we are still fb friends today. We are all on that page, everyday. Just keep in mind that all you have to worry about is doing "the next right thing" (Robert_325)

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    Quote Originally Posted by iloerose View Post
    Oh, geez, I just posted all this and see that Sharks has already posted the taper to you.
    Haha Rose....that made me laugh. I'm so bad about long posts and then missing a post up above where someone else answered already, then I'm like Damn. LOL. What a cute quote "once your a pickle you'll never be a cucumber again." I love that. But is that saying were all gonna be sour as >>>> now lol.....Whats he tryna say?! Raven...we are two peas in the same pod. OMG was I a people pleaser. I was like the Go to girl for everyone around me. Always jumping to help someone else out to the point of exhausting myself. I had a lot of "friends". Were they real friends, no they weren't. Because you know what when the tables were turned and I needed help only a few came to my rescue without me asking. Those are your true friends, people who want nothing more then your company. I changed a lot. Started being a lot more assertive and grew a lot over the years. I guess that comes with age for most. I'm a lot more happier saying no, learned to not feel guilty for it either. I'm all for helping people that deserve it now, but I definately pick and choose who I'll help and can spot a user a mile away. There are some really good genuine people, and there are some manipulating selfish ass people out there too that don't want anything more then to use you for their own benefit. I could care less what they think.

    So funny you bring that up because I was JUST thinking about that yesterday. I was at the park with my kids and came across a group of these really snooty looking women in a playgroup. I could just feel the stares and looking me up and down, a few years ago I would be worried about if my kids clothes matched, were they perfectly clean etc etc. Pretty much worried too much about what other Mom's think. Yesterday my son dressed himself and he was SO proud (he's 4) I did not wanna break his heart and tell him no buddy that shirt does NOT match lol. I just let him be and took him to the park. Who cares what people think if your happy is my point. Happy people are too busy being happy minding their own business...its the unhappy ones that are so busy worried about what your doing looking for reasons to make themselves feel better by putting others down. Screw em

    (Still laughing at Naked with a spoon...bahahaha...
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    Hi there. I, too, have been on subs for over 7 years. It kills me that it's been so long. However, I was not free of opiates all those years. Like a fool, I kept abusing painkillers and would return to the subs when the painkillers ran out (so I wouldn't have to go through WD). I was playing a very dangerous game all those years.

    I'm currently at .75 mg and doing ok. Like Rose mentioned, I've been tapering slow. I drop by 25% every 2 weeks or so. It's been a long road with a few "detours", but I'm getting there.

    It's great to see you making friends and taper buddies on the board! You have a good attitude, and if you pursue your recovery with as much energy as you used to pursue pills, you will be just fine. Not to say staying clean isn't hard work - it is! I agree with Rose about NA or AA. I have come to prefer AA because it seems there are more people with clean time who are committed to their sobriety. The few NA meetings I attended seemed to have more people who were there by court order or whatever else.

    Hope you enjoy your weekend!
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    The saying was a way to say: "once an addict always an addict" in a humorous way. We are all part of the same "club". And if you think about it it's true: you can't un-pickle a pickle, the cucumber is far behind us.
    And no: we all aren't going to be sour: we can be sweet, zesty, tart, crisp, we can stop someone in their tracks and make them pucker up to shut them up. LOL. I don't know, think of all the pickle "adjectives"!

    That's funny about your 4yr. old dressing himself. Other 4yr. olds are unlikely to care, unless the "adults" interfere!

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    hahaha...I was trying to come up with some pickle jokes but I was like no let me stop. lmao haha...good ones though. About my son-Oh I know. I have two girls also, I used to force the pony tails and hairclips etc. Then finally I was like you know what...I remember those ratty hair days where brushing your hair was like torture. LOL they're only kids once. So if they want to run around looking like Bob Marley towards the end of the day so be it lol. Thats their business as long as they wash their hair I'm ok now.

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    O.K gotta share about the hair. My son got to the age where he could give himself his own bath, wash his own hair. I drew his bathwater one night before his bed time. He took his bath, toweled off, got dressed, and ran up to his dad sitting in his chair and jumped on his lap. His dad got the funniest look on his face and sniffed my son's hair: ewwwwww, didn't you wash your hair? Turned out he had been simply wetting his hair down in an effort to avoid shampoo. MAN. He must have missed a few days w/o shampoo: totally stunk. I found out he had only been wetting his hair down to SEEM like he washed it.

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    OMG THAT WAS MY CHILDHOOD!!! LOL I was so gross. Do you know how much time I spent PreTENDing I washed my hair. Just how much effort went into that?! My Mom got so smart to sniff multiple spots on my head cause she knew where I'd rub the shampoo smell. I was such a little weirdo lol. That is hilarious, makes me feel better though lol. Something about kids and shampoo lol...Mine can't even try cause I know all the tricks. I'm like NOPE get back in there! Nice try...

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