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precipitated withdrawal yesterday. need advice
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    Default precipitated withdrawal yesterday. need advice

    Hi. I tried to induct while at my job in construction yesterday. It was a horrible idea. I was on a very high dose of opana and the last dose was taken at 6pm the previous day.
    I woke up in mild withdrawal yesterday and went to work. A little after lunch withdrawal was getting really bad. Work was almost impossible. I was at about the 20 hr mark since my last dose of opiate. I thought it was long enough and took a 4 mg strip. Within 20 minutes I was pouring sweat like a faucet and in a state of misery I can't discribe. I drug myself to my vehicle and passed out for a few hrs before finally driving home.
    At home I slept some more and then took another 2 mg strip probably 6 hrs after my first dose. I wasn't in nearly as bad of shape but it didn't bring any noticeable relief.
    It's now the morning after all that. I was thrashing around in the night and took another 2 mg strip. That actually took away the restless leg mostly.
    Now I'm starting my work day. I obviously screwed up the induction royally. I was not prepared with small enough strips so I took too much. I also am not sure what I was supposed to do after the precipitated withdrawal. Aside from being very drained of energy and no will to get off the couch. I'm not experiencing any terrible withdrawal.
    Should I just carry on and try to maintain at a lower dose?
    Hopefully that makes some sense. I'm a mess right now but I am not going back now. I'm getting clean if it kills me.

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    Yes
    Pwds sux
    That is why time is not a reliable indicator of of readiness for sub.
    The COWS scale is best..
    The only thing that you can do is move forward now..
    Usually the best thing to do is wait it out.

    Definitely I would not keep taking the sub..
    Try to calculate how my sub
    You took ..

    It can take a day or 2 to stabilize..

    I commend you for not going back..
    The opana will not help anyway..
    Sub is too strong..

    If you feel better today..
    Then I would start tomorrow with 2 mg
    If you are not feeling better
    Go up
    In 0.25 mg -50 mg every 60-90 mins

    You should be able to stabilize on 4 mg..

    You can split your doses 1/2 am
    The other half
    8-10 hrs later..


    You will get through this because you have got to be very strong..
    To get through pwds and to do it at work..
    Wow..

    You will feel better..
    But sub will never make you feel like opana did..
    It is different..

    Less is more
    Meaning most peoplefeelingbeter at a lower dose..

    I have to go to work
    But others will chime in.
    Hang tough..
    Bette
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    Thanks lluv2smile.
    That is just what I was thinking. Start at 2mg tomorrow and go from there. I'm at work today. It's really tough but I'm not in terrible withdrawal. More wore out from yesterday than anything I think. I'm actually starting to wonder if this is just what life clean felt like. It's been awhile so I don't really remember. All I remember is that I was happy and not destroying my life back then.
    I actually fessed up to my wife who had no idea yesterday morning. Thank god she was out of town and didn't get to see me. It was really hard on her but she has my back. I don't think I could do this with the guilt of lying anymore so it had to be done.
    Back to work.

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    You are a trooper.
    Yes you will feel better..
    That is a lot to put
    your body through
    You should feel much better by tomorrow.

    Life is much better clean..
    I jumped from sub after a taper 17 months ago..
    It was worth every bit of agony I went through..
    There is a great taper on here if you interested
    Let us know..

    Remember to drinks lots of water while on sub
    It can dehydrate you..
    Take care
    Bette

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    Hi Bette, I took 2 mg when I woke up. I had pretty bad rls, watering eyes and a runny nose. After a little over a hour I was feeling a little bit better but not great and I had to leave for work so I took another .5 mg.
    That was a hour and a half ago and I just feel really drained and no energy. I don't know if that counts as withdrawal but I'm kinda thinking I should just stay at 2.5 for 4 or 5 days and see if I start feeling normal. I just hope I didn't totally screw myself over by not inducting right. It seems like my body should adapt to this though.
    I have read Roberts taper plan. I actually studied it pretty hard months ago but never tried to stop. If I can stabilize where I'm at. I plan on starting to reduce by 25 percent every 4 or so days as long as I feel ok.
    Hopefully this works ok and I have my energy back soon. I really let things fall apart in my life and I have to start putting things back together. I have a amazing wife and 3 kids. Ages 1, 3, and 7. They need a strong dad and husband
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    No you did not screw up with the induction..
    You will stabilize.
    You have to get to where you have little to no withdrawals before you drop..

    You might need 3 mg instead of 2.5 mg.

    You have a healthy fear of taking so much
    But don't let that prevent you from getting stable..


    If you are feeling better today even just a little bit better that is a good sign..
    It can take a couple of days to stBilize
    Even without going into pwds..
    You can change your life
    This is a great start..
    Please try to move on from your past..
    Yes you screwed up but
    Just think how amazing it is to be off your drug of choice for a couple days already..

    1 person dies every 8 mins from prescription pill issues..

    Now it doesn't have to be either of us..

    You are going forwRd and you have to forgive yourself for the things that happened during
    Your use..

    Own it
    Accept it
    Move on..
    The subs will give you a chance to change your thinking!

    Many people never even get to where you are today..!

    We are definely
    Blessed
    Lucky
    Chosen
    Whatever you want to call it..

    It is a gift..

    As deep and dark as you had become during your use.
    You can go that far to the happy side
    I promise..
    It takes work
    Patience..

    If I can do it
    You can do it!
    I will check back later after work..
    Take care

    Bette
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    Thanks alot Bette. I really appreciate the encouragement. I have felt really disoriented and unsure if I am taking the right approach.
    I can't tell you how big of a deal it is having even the tiniest bit of support. My wife is being a trooper but this has been a huge shock to her and she needs me as much as I need her, so I hate to dump too much on her.
    I'll ride out the morning and evaluate at noon on whether I should try another .5mg. I definitely won't drop until I'm feeling totally stable.
    Thanks again
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    Last night my wife discovered a illegal means of making money that I've been doing for a very long time. I can't even blame this on my using. She caught me early on in our relationship and warned me that it would be the end of us.
    All I saw was the money it provided for my family and kept on doing it, despite years of stress and inner turmoil over it.
    I was working late trying to finish a side job when she called confronting me on it. I was already as close to the limit of what I can handle in a day. I still haven't stabilized with subs and was running on pure will just to finish the day.
    Anyway. I was racing home trying to catch her before she left and I felt like I was on the verge of passing out. I took a 1mg piece hoping that it might give me the strength to make it through it.
    Long story short. She was gone when I got home but 5 years and two more kids was apparently enough to convince her that it was worth coming back. I have always treated her and our kids very well also. If it weren't for these two dirty secrets I've been keeping. We would have what most including ourselves view as a perfect marriage.
    As of right now I think I can save us, but I took a total of 4MG yesterday. I had pretty bad restless Leg last night that kept me up along with no tolerance for the cold, even though it's summer.
    I woke up and took my 1.5mg dose with the intention of taking another 1.5 later today. I honestly don't feel terrible physically right now but I haven't started work yet.
    From reading other people's threads. I wonder if I should stop messing around with 3 mg and jump to 3.5 or possibly even 4. I just don't know.
    Sorry for the book. This week has been pure hell
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    Matt42
    Sometimes more sub is not the answer. Less is more with subs. Stabilize on one dose first. If u think 4 mg makes u feel ok, then that's ur initial dose. If 3mg works, then that's ur dose. Give it at least 4-5 days to get into ur system.
    Sorry about the domestic problems. Life throws stuff in our way during the taper. Keep going.
    Stay focused on the goal. Life will be better once ur off the drugs.
    Promise! Post when u can..,,hang in there.

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    I think I spoke to soon on upping the sub dose. Took the 1.5 this morning and I actually feel decent. Not amazing but by far the best I've felt since quitting.
    I just don't get the night and morning restless leg. I was ripping the bed apart and felt like screaming. Then after waking it stays with me for about a hour. Between that and feeling like I can't get warm. It makes for a rough start to the day. I'm usually a human furnace too.
    This is only day four on subs though. I'll just continue to ride out the 3mg. Hopefully the 4th of July weekend is good to me

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    I am glad u feel a little bit better.
    You might need.
    1.5mg in the am
    1.5 8-10 hrs later.

    Sometimes it is best to dose 2 times a day..
    Until you get to 1 mg

    You will stabilize
    Because you are going to stick it out at this dose rather than go up
    I would stay at that dose until you are really stable..

    Please don't rush this!
    You only have to do this 1 time..

    And you have fought so hard..
    I am happy your wife came back
    Hopefully she will continue to understand as much as a non user can..

    Have a great weekend!
    Bette
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    Quote Originally Posted by Iluv2smile View Post
    I am glad u feel a little bit better.
    You might need.
    1.5mg in the am
    1.5 8-10 hrs later.

    Sometimes it is best to dose 2 times a day..
    Until you get to 1 mg

    You will stabilize
    Because you are going to stick it out at this dose rather than go up
    I would stay at that dose until you are really stable..

    Please don't rush this!
    You only have to do this 1 time..

    And you have fought so hard..
    I am happy your wife came back
    Hopefully she will continue to understand as much as a non user can..

    Have a great weekend!
    Bette
    Thanks for the reply bette.
    Today I feel even better and I have no intention of rushing to drop. I feel like this is a good time to get my head together and recharge before dropping the dose and possibly having issues. To be honest, I'm just exhausted. This could have very well been the hardest week of my life.
    I've went cold turkey off 80MG oxy habit before and thought that was rough. This was roughly 400 mg of iv opana per day. I swear I could feel the devil inside me while on it. I used oxy as a tool to accomplish things like working 7 days a week. With opana although I worked every day. All I thought about was maintaining my supply and finding places to slip away to get high. It's just not me.
    I'm really enjoying feeling like my old self today.
    Have a good weekend too

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    I am so happy for you..
    You will feel better every day..
    Please just try to hop on here and post just so many people read
    And don't post..
    You will give them hope..
    Your body has been through so much..
    And you are living proof thT it can be done..
    Thank you so much for sharing your experience..
    Bette

    I know take this time to live your life
    Instead of feeding your addiction..
    Celebrate being off your drug of choice..
    You will discover you have lots of free time
    To enjoy that family..

    Have a great weekend..
    Congratulations!
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