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    Yeah The Doc gave me 2mg @8:00am Mon and I did fine til 10PM or so then started some BAD W/D's...so Tues he gave me 4mg @8:00am then said another 2mg at 10pm which I heald out til 1:30am this morning....cause the 4mg made me so friggin sick....it was like some REALLY bad W/D's....So this morning he wanted me to do 2mg twice a day....8am and 8pm....but I wanna re-induct and try to get that lower......and Yeah Im thinkin it might take awhile now cause I feel pretty good other than Sheer exhaustion from being up the past 140 Hrs!!!! So if I have to I'll wait til I DO get it up to 26 or Better....(UGH again)....and begin the .5 from there......

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    BUT...Im thinking now I may just see how Im feeling and go ahead and do the 2mg at 8PM and then again at 8AM then on and on and see how that does.....what does anyone think???

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    Best I could do with my "Shakes" so bad were 1mg cuts.....MAN, i'm shakin like crazy!!!!

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    if ur doing 2 mg dose twice per day for a total of 4 mg
    daily dose that's not too bad in my opinion.

    that's not a super high amount.

    maybe u should stay there and reduce according to the
    plan...

    if u try and reinduct it could take a long time to get at
    the 26 score u need. but if u decide to ride it out and
    just continue with the dose ur now on that may be best.

    i just don't want to tell u the wrong way to go...hopefully
    others will give u the way to go with it.

    can u get someone to help u cut the film up? neighbor
    or friend around?

    u shouldn't be shaking too much on subs IF u are taking
    it properly and on the correct dose.

    u should just be feeling as 'normal' as possible on it...

    hang in there as best u can.

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    You hit it on the head! I HAVENT been on the right dose! Remember i said Doc had me do 6mg Yesterday.....4mg in the A.M. and 2 in the P.M. AND I havent been able to sleep for going on 140 hours now......Been in W/D's since Thursday without ANYTHING all weekend!!.I think Im just gonna do 2mg at 8pm and 2 at 8am....and leave it at that.....I gotta get some sleep!
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    I think thats gonna work out ok...cause Ive felt pretty good today, and its going on 3pm, another 2mg at 8pm should take me fine til 8am......we'll see.....Doc also gave me 50mg Trazadone to help me sleep, anyone know of any interactions with Subs???
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    u can go to the top of this page and drugs.com has a
    drug 'interactions checker' that u can use.

    click on it and put the name of any meds u use in the
    box and it will check and give u the results ur looking for.

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    Ahhhhhhhhhh How cool is THAT!

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    well, I'm up to a 24 on the COWS Sheet! WOO HOO! ........UGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH MAN this sucks more than ANYTHING that has EVER sucked before!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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    TOO Funny....just turned on MASH and B.J. Honeycutt is weening one of his Patients off of Morphine! The kid is Sweatin Bullets, kickin, jerkin, ......oh wait.....thats ME!!!! ACK GAK>>> Man, I gotta recheck this COWS Sheet,....this sure feels worse than a 24....ughhhhhhh

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    Ahhhhhhhhhhhh Feelin MUCH better! Have a Great Night Everyone! Gonna try to get some well Earned SLEEP!!!!

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    glad ur feeling better now.
    hope u get a great nights sleep.

    post in the morning if possible and let us know how ur feeling.
    hopefully u get it straightened out soon.

    u must have hit the 26 score and reinducted...
    let us know what dose ur now taking.

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    Good Morning everyone!!! Heyyyyyyyy Kikker! Yup, hit more than 26 (FINALLY) last night and re-inducted...doing 2mg twice a day.....and FINALLY got some Badly needed SLEEP! it didnt come easy, I tossed and turned, and fought the urge to get up a couple of times but the next thing ya know it was 9am and I had slept HARD!!!! Oh Man its a new day, a New Beginning.....Feel SO much Better! Had my 2mg Dose, gonna have a sorely missed cup of mud, and see what the day holds!!!!!
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    hahaha...cup of mud. lol. funny stuff.

    so happy u were able to get some sleep.
    no sleep can drive u crazy i know.
    hopefully u can keep the sleep process going now.

    couple of things i have noticed in ur plan...

    u said u were previously on the 2 mgs twice per day.
    but u wanted to reinduct and start at .5 mg this time.
    instead u went right back to the 2 mg dose.
    so if u did that it is NOT a reinduction...
    it is just a continuation instead.

    u do not have to use the cows sheet each time u dose.
    just keep taking the same dose at the same time each day...
    that's very important to do.

    one other thing i have noticed....
    u are dosing at 8 am and then again at 8 pm.
    that's perfectly ok to do but....
    u may want to make ur dose every 8 hrs apart instead of 12 hrs apart.

    according to what i have read here it seems that most people that dose
    twice per day seem to do it in the morning when they get up and then
    again about 8 hrs later.

    so maybe 8-10 am and then again 4-6 pm.
    just a suggestion and what i have read here.
    it's totally up to u what u decide to do.
    ur way is NOT wrong at all...
    just giving u another option with it.

    important thing is to take the same dose at the same time each day.
    some people say taking the dose too late in the evening keeps them awake.
    some say say it really doesn't matter...the later the better.
    find the right time for u to take it.

    if ur using robert's plan it says to remain on ur current dose for about 4 days
    and then reduce ur dose by 25% each time.
    that is not written in stone.
    u have to make it work for u is all.
    maybe u have to take 5-7 days between doses....maybe not.

    listen to ur own body.
    u will know when it's time to reduce the dose.
    give it some time on the dose ur on now and then reduce by the 25%.

    ur doing great now so keep it up.
    please keep posting ur progress so others can see it and hopefully respond.
    ur helping many others by posting, including me.

    i'm tapering myself right now from subs and a little ahead of u.
    i'll help any way i can but i'm no expert.

    u can do this Harry...
    if u WANT IT bad enough!
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    Well the reason I went right back to the 2mg dose was that I couldnt "cut" them any smaller with my "Shakes" remember??? And I thought back to my 1st day on the subs the Doc started me at the 2mg dose, and I felt great ALL day up until 10pm or so and the W/D's came back....(now keep in mind the Doc told me to only do ONE dose per day in the AM at first..) So considering I couldnt cut them any smaller than 2mg, and remembering that I felt good on 2mg on Monday it seemed like a fair hypothesis to me LOL!
    And I think you are right about time....I think I DO want to cut those times back a little like you say...maybe 9AM then again at 6PM (I got a good start on that this morning cause I didnt wake up til 9am...an hour past my Dose time, and I DID have a lil Trouble getting to sleep last night!) So Yup.....9am and 6pm....What times are you taking YOURS Kik? And How much are you taking? Are you following Roberts Plan too you said? Tell me about your experience with Subs and Subsequent to getting on them if you dont mind...you sound like you know your Sh** . and I would very much like to hear about your experience with them!
    And I also want to Thank you for your encouragement, and to EVERYONE on this Forum for taking the time to Document their THoughts, and Experiences with the rest of us....this information very well might have saved MY life, and I am SURE it has saved MANY MANY others!!!!!
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    Oh Yeah I was just using the COWS Sheet to get myself up to the 26, but in retrospect I could have just stayed with the 2mg dose, but I wanted to make sure that I didnt need a larger dose than that.....follow me? I just didnt trust that initial 2mg dose the DOC started me at because the conditions following that dose didnt give me enough information to make that decision! (Does that make ANY sense at ALL?? LMAO!)
    Quote Originally Posted by Kikker View Post
    hahaha...cup of mud. lol. funny stuff.

    so happy u were able to get some sleep.
    no sleep can drive u crazy i know.
    hopefully u can keep the sleep process going now.

    couple of things i have noticed in ur plan...

    u said u were previously on the 2 mgs twice per day.
    but u wanted to reinduct and start at .5 mg this time.
    instead u went right back to the 2 mg dose.
    so if u did that it is NOT a reinduction...
    it is just a continuation instead.

    u do not have to use the cows sheet each time u dose.
    just keep taking the same dose at the same time each day...
    that's very important to do.

    one other thing i have noticed....
    u are dosing at 8 am and then again at 8 pm.
    that's perfectly ok to do but....
    u may want to make ur dose every 8 hrs apart instead of 12 hrs apart.

    according to what i have read here it seems that most people that dose
    twice per day seem to do it in the morning when they get up and then
    again about 8 hrs later.

    so maybe 8-10 am and then again 4-6 pm.
    just a suggestion and what i have read here.
    it's totally up to u what u decide to do.
    ur way is NOT wrong at all...
    just giving u another option with it.

    important thing is to take the same dose at the same time each day.
    some people say taking the dose too late in the evening keeps them awake.
    some say say it really doesn't matter...the later the better.
    find the right time for u to take it.

    if ur using robert's plan it says to remain on ur current dose for about 4 days
    and then reduce ur dose by 25% each time.
    that is not written in stone.
    u have to make it work for u is all.
    maybe u have to take 5-7 days between doses....maybe not.

    listen to ur own body.
    u will know when it's time to reduce the dose.
    give it some time on the dose ur on now and then reduce by the 25%.

    ur doing great now so keep it up.
    please keep posting ur progress so others can see it and hopefully respond.
    ur helping many others by posting, including me.

    i'm tapering myself right now from subs and a little ahead of u.
    i'll help any way i can but i'm no expert.

    u can do this Harry...
    if u WANT IT bad enough!

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    well like i said, i'm certainly no expert on subs...
    or anything else for that matter. lol.

    i just read a lot here and have a couple of friends taking subs.
    taking them myself as i said.
    lots of very valuable info on this site if u take the time to read it.
    everything u need to know is right here.

    amazing what u can learn by reading here.

    i've been an addict for yrs...narcotic pills is/was my thing.
    been clean many times and then relapse over and over.
    i've used the subs a few times before.
    i would get on a small dose and taper successfully...
    then go right back to the pills.

    i just didn't want it bad enough before.
    but i sure do this time!

    this is the last time for me.
    can't do it any longer.
    i've lost too much due to the drugs and alcohol.

    yeah, i use robert's method...
    i think it's great.

    i inducted this time on 1 mg dose total per day.
    now down to .50 mg of sub.
    i reduce between 4-7 days on each dose.
    i just take it once a day because it's a small dose.
    i take my dose around noon-2 pm each day.

    taking my time to get it right.

    if i was on a larger dose like u are i would go to twice a day.
    in my opinion it's better at higher doses.
    and small doses take once per day.
    again that's my opinion only.
    others may have different ideas.

    i don't want to give u a false impression of my knowledge.
    i am a beginner with this.
    others here that are experts and have the knowledge u need.
    but i will be glad to help all that i can.
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    Sounds Like me....Narcotic Pain Killers is mine too....Percs and Roxys (30mg Oxycodonesis Mine)...like you Ive tried several times to get off ending in failure and right back to the pills....just hadnt LOST enough to make it as Important to me as it is NOW to get OFF the Things! I have Damn near lost my Business I took YEARS to build, I have run it into the GROUND with this Addiction and it HAD to Stop! Thank GOD for this Website/Forum's and its WONDERFUL Members like you, Robert and the Many, many Others that I have read about, and followed their Threads....they're Pain, their Hard work and most of all their SUCCESS!!! These people have taken the time to not only "Document" their Wins AND Losses" but the road it took to GET there! People like Robert that have taken UN-REAL amounts of time and energy posting here and helping the THOUSANDS of Others here like you and I! And I just want to tell all of you, from the Bottom of my Heart how much I Appreciate and Applaud ALL of you for your Time, Stories, support & Wisdom thruout this HORRIBLE Road! THANK you ALL!
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    Well, I guess I could actually call this Day One of my "Subs" Treatment, now that I have stabilized and know what I need to do...I haven't been outside, other than going to my Dr Appts since last Thursday......Been cooped up in this House with the Drapes Closed, Doors Locked....Pacing, Sweating, Shaking, Puking, Crying....you name it since LAST Thursday...watching the minutes tick by seeming like HOURS.....Oh my GOD, and thinking back if I had just come to this site sooner, all the Pain, and the Anxiety/Depression I could have avoided! It has been the Longest week of my LIFE! I could have made a Phone call and ended the pain....got my Pills and went on...But I KNOW this time HAS to be it! I HAVE to do this....I want my Life BACK! And I WILL get it back! I can do this....

    Ok....So it looks like my plan now is going to be 2mg, Twice Daily @ 9:00am and 6:00pm....now Kik, how long did you go before you began your "Taper"? I'm thinking 4 -5 days right?

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    Hey Kik,
    I was reading back at your "Cutting" Directions...were you "Folding" the Strips in Half to get the cut "Exactly Half" or just "Eyeballing" what "Half" should be and cutting them?

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    i just eyeballed it myself.
    i tried to fold it a couple times and the film 'broke' up.
    so i just hold it with the tweezers and cut carefully.
    not my idea...i read it here somewhere before.
    u will get it close enough.
    works perfectly for me....u can do it.

    yeah, i was headed downhill before but not like this time.
    lost my girlfriend and my home.
    nearly lost my job.
    lost friends and family members too.
    would have been in the gutter if i had continued...or dead.

    no place to go now...have to do this for ME.
    tired of the life of chasing pills.
    stupid, stupid, stupid for sure.

    and the money spent....crazy for sure.

    i went about 10 days before i began to taper.
    i listened to my body to say when it was time.
    most people seem to go 4-7 days before tapering.
    varies on the person.
    might take u 10 days and that's perfectly ok.
    like i said, listen to ur body.

    yeah, lots of very wise people here...
    and caring too!
    they really want to help another addict get clean.
    staying clean is the hard part.
    getting clean is fairly easy...done it many times.
    but remaining clean is the issue.

    i am going to look into support groups myself.
    like na/aa or another group for support.
    my way wasn't working to stay clean...
    so i must have been doing it wrong.

    all the wise members say support groups is the answer.
    and they should know, they're clean!
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    Yup I know what you mean Kik...and your right about all the Great people on here...its like a chain! I was sitting here and looked at some of YOUR other posts, (as I am sure many people do) and came upon the one that you are talking to "Mirabellesmom"...and it is just like a "Chain Effect" One person helps another, then another, and it goes on & On....Maybe some Day it will be ME on the other end of the Stick helping someone else! Who Knows, But the one thing I DO know is, I CAN and WILL do this.....And Thank You SO much for your help....we'll get thru this Man.....dont you worry! I'll make you a deal.....You Stick with ME and I WILL stick with you, Deal?
    Well I feel pretty good today actually...my First day outside in what seems like an Eternity! Thank GOD I have a Good Employee that was able to "Take the Reins" for me and Run my Business this week to give the Badly Needed time to do this....No WAY I could have gone to work in the past 7 days condition, but today I am thinking I will be going back Monday Morning!!!!
    I am a little "Jittery" right now....dont know if it is the Coffee or my hour late "Subs" dose or both...feel good, just "Jittery/Shaky" ya know?
    And good deal on the Strips...yeah I tried Folding them to get it exact and they stuck together and it was a JOKE! So Im gonna do it YOUR way next time and get the Doc to give me the Other Strips next time..(the 2mg ones like the First ones he gave me)

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    see that's the thing...u ARE helping others right NOW.
    by giving ur experiences it helps everyone here.
    everything helps at least one other person, probably many more.
    u help me, i help u...everyone helps everyone.
    so awesome!

    yea, i'll certainly stick with u.

    get outside...stay as busy as u can.
    u can work while taking subs.
    i didn't miss any days of work on subs before.
    u should feel normal on them.

    about switching strips...
    do u have insurance that pays for them?
    if so it's better to have the 8 mg ones.
    u can get more doses out of larger strips...and save money.
    my opinion anyway.

    if u have no ins it probably won't matter.
    i would rather have the 8 mg ones anyway...ins or not.
    totally up to u Harry.

    now i'm gonna get another cup of mud. lol.

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    Your RIGHT, I wouldnt have HAD to miss a day of work had I known what I know NOW by coming HERE!!! OMG, no WAY I could have worked last week...I went off the Pills on Weds of last week, by Thursday I was SICK....REAL SICK! A Little History fo ya here...3 weeks ago I tried this "NewVisions" Drug Rehab place the VA sent me too...I checked in the Hospital on Thurs Afternoon and I stayed til Sunday Afternoon...They "Stabilized" me using Methadone and Librium and then Sent me home Sun Afternoon with a few papers and said "SEE ya"! No Counselling, No Subs Treatment Options, just SEE ya! I thught I was DONE! LMAO! By Monday Night Im Sick as HELL again!~So what Do I do? Back on the Pills of Course! I didnt know WHAT to do? So I finally put my Foot down and said I am going to do this MYSELF! So last Weds I Went OFF the Pills and said "I'll be done with W/D's by Monday for SURE!.....NOT!!!!! Oh my GOD what a Weekend I spent! I dont have to tell YOU.....OMG I was Soooooooooooooooo Sick I wanted to DIE! Mnday Morning came and I couldnt TAKE it anymore, so I caled my "Pain Mgmt Clinic" down the road from me and told them the Situation and they told me they have a "Suboxone" Treatment I could go on...I didnt know about Suboxone, but I was Ready for ANYTHING at this Point! And you know the rest of the Story.....Here I am Today!.......

    Going Outside felt Good! Its Clouding up like it is going to Rain in a lil while...so Im gonna Watch a Movie or something and Chill.......I live here in Mims FL. on the "Space Coast" near the Kennedy Space Center, and own a Cigar/Tobacco Shop in the town of Titusville, just down the Road from Mims....this is a Rural Setting, I am on 2 Acres of Mostly Wooded Property in a small Neighborhood consisting of Mostly Ranchers, and Farmers...and ME, Neighborhood Drug Addict, LOL....So it is a Peaceful, Quiet Setting for me to "Get myself" back Together...I am Divorced, living alone, my only Son is on Patrol in the West Pacific right now on the Coast Guard Cutter "RUSH", so I am all alone with my little German Schnauzer "Schneider" who has been Freaking OUT the past few days thinking Daddy had "Lost his Marbles"! So you see, there was NO way I could have gone to work in THAT condition, but I feel confident that I will be back on Monday Morning Feeling GOOD!
    My Jitters have mostly gone away now, and I feel Almost "Normal" again! I think it is hard for a body to go "Amped Up" like I have been for 6 straight Days, NO sleep and little rest...Pacing, Pacing and More PACING back & forth inside this house day and Night and return to Normal...But I feel Pretty good...

    Ok, ya got the whole story now....LOL, I'll focus on sticking to the plan, and not turn this into a "Chat Site" LOL.....
    ya think 9:00am and 5-6Pm is good?....Almost anything causes me trouble sleeping and I think earlier in the PM is going to be better for me in the Long Run...it just seemd like to me thats a LONG time between the "Night-Time" and Morning doses? this doesnt matter?

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    No I dont have Insurance, out of pocket! So your cutting your .5 Doses from those big ol 8mg Blankets? LOL....your a "Subs Strip Surgeon"!! LOL,
    Quote Originally Posted by Kikker View Post
    see that's the thing...u ARE helping others right NOW.
    by giving ur experiences it helps everyone here.
    everything helps at least one other person, probably many more.
    u help me, i help u...everyone helps everyone.
    so awesome!

    yea, i'll certainly stick with u.

    get outside...stay as busy as u can.
    u can work while taking subs.
    i didn't miss any days of work on subs before.
    u should feel normal on them.

    about switching strips...
    do u have insurance that pays for them?
    if so it's better to have the 8 mg ones.
    u can get more doses out of larger strips...and save money.
    my opinion anyway.

    if u have no ins it probably won't matter.
    i would rather have the 8 mg ones anyway...ins or not.
    totally up to u Harry.

    now i'm gonna get another cup of mud. lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HarrySmooth View Post
    No I dont have Insurance, out of pocket! So your cutting your .5 Doses from those big ol 8mg Blankets? LOL....your a "Subs Strip Surgeon"!! LOL,


    Not really! The 8mg strips are 7/16" long. Just call it 1/16" equals right at 1mg. There is NOTHING difficult about cutting 1/16" off and then cutting that piece in smaller portions if that is what is required. People need to stop making this sound so difficult! All you need is a tape measure, ruler, and a pair of scissors. Nothing hard about that. God bless.

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    Thanks Robert,
    I was SO Shaky yesterday trying to do this it was very difficult for me...I dont think it will be a problem now...This is (what I am calling NOW, after reading YOUR "Subs Method") Day One of My Subs Replacement...just inducted Yesterday....also my First day of Feeling Good again! Thanks Robert!
    Quote Originally Posted by Robert_325 View Post
    Not really! The 8mg strips are 7/16" long. Just call it 1/16" equals right at 1mg. There is NOTHING difficult about cutting 1/16" off and then cutting that piece in smaller portions if that is what is required. People need to stop making this sound so difficult! All you need is a tape measure, ruler, and a pair of scissors. Nothing hard about that. God bless.

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    Ya know what is kinda bothering me....it didnt occur to me until just now, but I am at the Mercy of my Dr!! he only writes me small Prescription Amounts of the Sub...Mon-weds he had me come in EVERY morning to get my days script...yesterday he wrote me only enough to get me til Mon and he wants to see me again on monday. I dont want to tell him I am Following an "Online Forum's" way of using these Sub's in fear he will "Cop an Attitude" and cut me off altogether!
    I sure hope he doesnt have some Goofya** way to bring me off these things! Its ok if he prescribes me MORE than I need, but I sure hope he doesnt DROP em!!!!! UGH!

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    Robert, did you read my Beginning Post? I was wondering about Times of these Doses? I Started doing mine at 8am and 8pm....but am thinking 9am and 5-6pm would be better since I always have a hard time sleeping for the most miniscule of things....how long should we go between doses would you reccommend? Think 9am and 6pm would be OK?
    Quote Originally Posted by Robert_325 View Post
    Not really! The 8mg strips are 7/16" long. Just call it 1/16" equals right at 1mg. There is NOTHING difficult about cutting 1/16" off and then cutting that piece in smaller portions if that is what is required. People need to stop making this sound so difficult! All you need is a tape measure, ruler, and a pair of scissors. Nothing hard about that. God bless.

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    hey Harry, i wouldn't tell ur doctor ur getting advice or
    suggestions from anyone on an online forum. lol.

    he might give u some ????...
    or probably boot u out of his office.

    tell him ur staying on the 4 mg per day for awhile.
    then he may keep giving u enough subs for that daily dose.
    then reduce ur dose without telling him....
    and save all ur extras.

    then when u get enough subs left over u won't have to go back to him.

    know what i mean?

    in other words tell him ur on 4 mg even if u have reduced
    on ur own and really taking lots less.

    may be shifty, but will save u some cash, and doctor visits.
    just an idea others have mentioned here before.
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