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    How in the HECK do you measure .375mg on one of these Strips? I just dont understand this at ALL? And I am stressing over it...I dont know how You would measure that! And I KNOW I wont be able to cut these down like you guys...I just cant do it...I have enough trouble cutting them down to 2mg...I know what robert says, but thats Robert! Not me....and I know I cant do it....
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    it's really easy harry if u think about it.
    .375 is exactly half of .75 mg.
    i cut a film of 1 mg into 4 pieces which makes .25 each.
    then cut a .25 mg in half which equals .125 each.

    then add a .25 to a .125 for total of .375 mg.
    fairly easy to do.
    at least for me it is. lol.
    u can do it too harry!
    i'll help u don't worry about it right now.
    least of ur worries pal.

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    yes, go ahead and reduce tomorrow harry.
    i believe ur ready.
    u sound like it.
    and that's what it takes with sub...
    u have to BE READY to reduce ur dose.
    today is 5 days on ur dose i believe.

    4 mg is still a fairly high amount of sub.
    it's sooo strong.
    a little bit will usually hold most people.

    ur at 4 m total now.
    2 mg twice per day now.
    reduce by 25% to 3 mg total per day.
    take 1.5 mg am and another 1.5 mg pm.

    some people like to dose ONCE per day.
    and u can to if u choose.
    completely up to u harry.
    if so take ur dose around the noon hr.
    that's my opinion anyway.

    some people wake up and want to dose right away...
    and can't wait til noon.
    so let me know ur choice...
    once or twice per day.

    my own personal opinion is twice per day right now.
    until u get down to 1 mg dose.
    then go to once per day.

    but like i said, it's totally up to u.

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    Yes I think twice a day is good for me right now....I think I feel better knowing a dose is coming up in a few hours lol, rather than thinking "well thats it for today, hope nothing goes awry" lol...its a mindset thing I think! So I guess what I will do is Ive already practiced on a couple of those 8mg strips earlier last week when we 1st talked, and got two of them cut down into (what I HOPE) are basically 1mg strips...(they are all odd shaped and screwed up, but in almost equal pieces) so I guess I will take 1-1/2 of those twice a day....(god, why am I SO nervous about this????)

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    The ONLY way I will be able to do this is with the 2mg Strips..I'm tellin ya man, I had one HELLUVA time just getting these 8mg strips down to 1mg...REAL hard time!!! My shakes are too bad when I try something intricate like that!
    Quote Originally Posted by Kikker View Post
    it's really easy harry if u think about it.
    .375 is exactly half of .75 mg.
    i cut a film of 1 mg into 4 pieces which makes .25 each.
    then cut a .25 mg in half which equals .125 each.

    then add a .25 to a .125 for total of .375 mg.
    fairly easy to do.
    at least for me it is. lol.
    u can do it too harry!
    i'll help u don't worry about it right now.
    least of ur worries pal.

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    u need to RELAX harry!
    putting too much pressure on urself.
    that's no good for anything.
    only makes it worse...
    lots worse.

    think of cutting the film as a challenge...
    one that u want to win!

    like robert told u...it's really easy to do...
    for anyone.

    i'll help u out and u know that.
    maybe ur friend can also help.
    or ur employee.
    or u harry! lol.

    PLEASE don't worry right now.
    reducing is too important.
    u need ur full attention on that part.

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    She texted me a little while ago from Work, and she said she will check in tonight when she gets in from work...I sent her the link to this page and who to be looking for...(You & Kikker)Thanks Iloerose!
    Quote Originally Posted by iloerose View Post
    Harry, I found someone under the Thomas Recipe called gottabefree. I also left a message for this person, don't know if it's the same one, to start a thread in "need to talk". I just didn't want to presume it was the same person. This person posted 10-1. That thread isn't used very much except to get the recipe. Will check back.

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    Your right Man....I work myself up sometimes worrying about sh*t...I have two of em cut down to 1mg +/- lol, and will work with those
    Quote Originally Posted by Kikker View Post
    u need to RELAX harry!
    putting too much pressure on urself.
    that's no good for anything.
    only makes it worse...
    lots worse.

    think of cutting the film as a challenge...
    one that u want to win!

    like robert told u...it's really easy to do...
    for anyone.

    i'll help u out and u know that.
    maybe ur friend can also help.
    or ur employee.
    or u harry! lol.

    PLEASE don't worry right now.
    reducing is too important.
    u need ur full attention on that part.

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    Now if I feel something coming on after I drop the .5mg off of my dose, should I take the .5 sliver i cut off?
    Quote Originally Posted by HarrySmooth View Post
    Your right Man....I work myself up sometimes worrying about sh*t...I have two of em cut down to 1mg +/- lol, and will work with those

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    WOW, we ain't "Junior Members" no mo! lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by HarrySmooth View Post
    Now if I feel something coming on after I drop the .5mg off of my dose, should I take the .5 sliver i cut off?
    no u should not harry.
    please don't project how u may be feeling.
    remember those positive thoughts are for a reason.
    u may or may not have any issues with the drop.
    the lower the dose the better u will be feeling.

    a 'sliver' of .5 mg is HUGE anyway...
    slivers are usually .25 mg or smaller.
    and only 'IF' needed.

    we'll cross that bridge when we get there.

    i realize ur worried...
    and scared a bit.
    that's only normal.
    remember ur getting off drugs so u may have a few symptoms..
    it's completely NORMAL for everyone.
    but those symptoms lessen as u reduce ur dose amounts.
    the lower the better always.

    lile i said 4 mgs is still quite a high amount.
    even 3 mgs is still a little high.

    don't start thinking 'what if'
    don't look ahead...
    stay in the moment with this.

    we'll deal with the symptoms as they arise...
    if u have any.

    hang in there harry..
    it's gonna be perfectly ok.

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    Ya know what....I think Im going to wait until Thursday...I only work Tues, weds and Half a day Thurs...tomorrow is my FIRST day back at work in 2 weeks, and I am TERRIFIED to do this drop on the very day Im returning to work...I think I am going to wait until Thursday when I know I have 3 days of no Work in front of me...believe me, its best for me I think...Im already very nervous about this...and being back at work dealing with the Public is no time for me to be "Sweatin Bullets".....

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    being back to work is the very best thing for u.
    staying busy is key.

    the busier the better.
    up to u what u want to do.
    waiting is perfectly ok...
    but so is reducing.

    what about next time...
    will u miss work to reduce?
    see what i mean.

    u have to tackle this head on.
    ur letting the subs decide ur fate.
    YOU need to decide it harry.

    sorry to b so blunt.

    i'm not telling u what to do here...
    ur life, ur decision.

    u are in control...
    or at least u should be.

    please remember 2 things.....

    1- subs have a very long half life..
    2- which means even if u don't take any it's still in ur system..

    which is to ur advantage.

    each dose u take builds in ur system.
    so there will always be sub present.
    to hold u over.

    i support u no matter what u do!
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    Ugh.....and as usual...your absolutely RIGHT! I AM in charge! ... I'm just sooo nervous about being back to work in the 1st place...I just dont want anything to go wrong...My shop is very "High Volume" and I deal with a LOT of people, real Fast...People coming and going all the time...I have to be "On my Toes" Alert, and 100% or things can go south REAL Quick! Oh My GOD, I couldnt IMAGINE being in there and these damn W/D's hit me in there....in ANY degree of Severity, follow me? Could you imagine being in even Mild W/D's and having to deal with a high Volume of PEOPLE, people asking constant questions, needing assistance, Money constantly changing hands...I gotta be ON my game in there man, or the poop will hit the fan Real Quick!
    I guess since the Doc put me in those PWD last tues I am nervous as a CAT messin with these Subs......I really am......

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    Sorry Man....I know you have enough to deal with on your own without holding MY hand thru all this...I'll deal with it...I'll do it... Just nervous thats all.....REAL nervous lol
    Once I get a couple of "Successful Drops" under my belt like you...maybe I wont be so nervous.....
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    i'm being honest here harry..
    going to work really is the best for u right now.
    it helps soooo much when using subs.
    keeps ur mind off of it.

    u can't see it now, but u will.
    then u'll see for urself.

    customers in and out...
    cash changing hands over and over...
    'high volume'...
    is what u NEED right now.

    like i told u several times....
    R-E-L-A-X...lol.
    seriously tho, u gotta settle down a bit.
    ur getting overwhelmed.
    and u shouldn't be.

    after a drop u'll think..'what was i worrying bout'...
    'nothing to this'.

    u got this harry..
    u WILL win this game!
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    Your probably right...Im probably worrying myself for nothing...but youve been thru this before man....wernt you just a little apprehensive the 1st time??? ok, ok, maybe Im MORE than a little apprehensive, but I'm gonna do it man....I'm gonna do my drop tomorrow....heck with it...whats the worst that can happen...I'm gonna do it....

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    yeah, i've been thru it too many times.
    i did have a few worries at first to be honest.
    but it turned out to be over nothing.
    it ended up being perfectly ok in the end.

    each reduction gets better and better.

    i'm giving u the end result.
    it's nothing to keep worrying about.

    i totally understand ur concerns...
    i really do harry..
    but ur worried about cutting the film...
    worried about working....
    worried about how u feel...
    worried about the doctor...
    worrying about EVERYTHING.
    way too much worry.

    please try to relax.
    ur gonna feel some symptoms...
    but nothing u can't handle.

    those drugs will mess with ur mind...
    if u let them.

    ur gonna be perfectly ok.
    reduce now or wait.
    up to you.

    but make an informed decision.
    just make certain ur ready to reduce.
    make a firm committment to do it...
    and don't look back.

    i'm with u buddy.
    u got this deal going the right way.
    i'm still proud of u.

    be proud of urself!
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    Quote Originally Posted by HarrySmooth View Post
    WOW, we ain't "Junior Members" no mo! lol
    To Kikker: the number of posts raises member status, but it's more than that for you. Some people have few posts and have helped many. Some people and I am speaking of one I have had experience with in the past, had a higher status because no. of posts, but were in contention for being "liked" and in doing so hurt more than helped. Was more concerned with being "liked" and giving advice that a person freshly clean shouldn't have given. You are helping people here, paying it forward so to speak, Kikker, with little regard for yourself. And Harry, you too are helping people by sharing your struggle so honestly. This thread will genuinely help people who are struggling. Congratulations to both of you.

    Iloerose

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    wow, iloerose...
    how nice of u to say that.
    i really appreciate u doing so.
    and i'm sure that harry does too.

    thank u again for taking the time to post that.
    brings out a huge smile on me.
    somethimes i need to do that myself.
    and ur post certainly did.

    i sincerely want to say thanks...
    and hope ur doing well urself.
    ur totally awesome!
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    Yes and Thank you iloerose for the kind words, if anyone can benefit from MY Paranoia, More power to em! lol.....Thank GOD I got Kikker here at my back, or Im tellin ya I dont know WHAT I would be doing! I'd be LOST I know that! Your right Kikker, I DO worry too much, I'm taking your advice and pushing thru this and not looking back......I can do this....I'm GOING to do this, and I'm going to do this TOMORROW! But you can BET I'll have my Computer at work ON, and pointed in THIS direction!!!!!!!!!!
    Wish me Luck!
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    Harry, just like Kikker said, you are worrying past worrying. What if? You have enough sub in your system and subs have loooong half life, you should be o.k. It's o.k. to be apprehensive. It's o.k. to be scared. You had a bad fight on your hands last week. You are probably home alone and your mind is racing ahead of you. Don't let the mind games get you. That just makes the anxiety worse. If you can, take a walk and get some of those natural endorphines moving through you. Tomorrow at work those endorphines will be moving through you, because you know you have to be present. You'll be so busy, you won't know that you even dropped. Why? Just like you said, you can't stop. You have to be in the game when you're in the store. That will take your mind off of yourself. And getting your mind off yourself and away from the bad experience you had is so important. I once went through w/d on a busy week at school, with lessons to teach, and grades due and over a hundred papers to grade. (career and tech school, I have around 300 students) Didn't think I'd make it, but I did. I am also in my 50's. I was scared as all get out. Probably not one of my best performances, but I made it. Didn't have a choice, I had to. You will too. I can post a pic of what the pieces of sub from an 8mg. should look like if you want.

    Iloerose

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    You know I wish you all the luck in the world, Harry. Kikker is awesome! And he's absolutely right: let your body tell you what to do, not your mind. It's scary after so many years of drug abuse. And our minds are so powerful. But I have a great feeling about this. And be sure, tomorrow I will not forget my power cord at home and have my personal computer at school, I will check on you. And if you want to continue talking, keep on. But we have to quit rehashing the same thing: either you're ready or not, Kikker thinks you are, I think you are.

    Iloerose

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    Im ready and Im going to do it....Thank you both for your confidence in me... I wont let you, (or ME) down.....and YES iloerose...PLEASE post pics of what the subs should look like!!!!!

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    O.K, Harry hoping this works. This is after you cut an 8mg. in half. Harry don't ever worry about letting me down. This is about the struggle. I'm in for the whole lot. whatever happens.

    Peace,

    Iloerose
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    Did you see how uneven they look? Basically you're not going for perfect, but close.

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    And did you just cut those by "eyeballing" them??? or do you measure them somehow? Now see, one picture is worth a THOUSAND words! NOW I can see.....ok...Thank you iloerose.....Thank You!!!!!

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    Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, THAT makes sense, cut them on the "Diagonal" for halves! that way you have two corners to go to and from.....didnt think about THAT!!!!!!!!!!!
    I think the key is here is not to cut til you need! to keep track of what you have!
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    And I directed my friend on (on the Phone) directly to our little page here.....but she said 4 people responded to her on another page...I dont think she is Here in the "Forums" I think she is over in the "Support Groups" area....I couldnt really make "Heads or Tails" where she was at......But I made her bookmark the page so she can find her way back! Screen Name is "Fighting to Live"

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    Harry: I'm glad my pic helped. It was posted on another thread for a person who need help cutting the 8 mg. I cannot find your friend, no matter how hard I try to find her in the other forums. I hope she is well and getting good advice. I'll look in the support groups portion of DDC. but in these forums, she seems to be absent. Hope you are feeling better about making the cut. Yes, don't cut until you need to. The person who was making the cuts was on methadone and going to subs. When you're on methadone it takes about 3 days to cross to a 26 and by then you are just a jittering and jangling. So he wanted to cut first. Cut down on the coffee and get more exercise! LOL Always give advice you never take. LOL. Except I do have a dog who walks me and is waiting for his human to get up off of her ????. You get a good sleep tonight.

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