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    Hi I have been on Roxy which is Percocet without the Tylenol for 2 years, 15mg up to 6x daily. I have had several back surgeries and then several stem cell procedures to get me back to painless living. I am not an addict I hated every second of being on Roxy it made me sick everyday, no highs no anything except feeling awful. So that is why my husband and I have had every single natural procedure done to try to help me. The stem cell procedure, (taking of my own stem cells and having them put in specific places in my sacrum) has done the most to help me. I had a walker and I don't use it since getting the 5 stem cell procedure's now so yeah to that. :-) My husband is a Chiropractor and I am an Herbalist so we both try to help the body heal itself through natural means. Me being on pain meds that long has just damaged my spirit I would cry everyday I just hated how I felt, I wasn't myself. So the decision was then made that the pain meds are not working to help my pain anymore my body is now the only thing dependent on them, my mind said I want off. So we went to a specialist and he told me all about SUB (we read all about it first) and how to go into withdrawal and to start the Suboxone. I have been on the SUB 8mg/2mg 1 in the am and 1 in the pm. My 1st day on Suboxone was Tuesday before Thanksgiving to present 13 days. I read in this forum how to go down by 25%, stay on that amount for 4 days then if all went well go down another 25% for 4 days and so on. So I'm praying this is correct I took my strip and cut it in half and then half again to get 4 equal sizes. I took 3 of those strips this am, I will cut the strip and do the same tonight and then for 3 more days and go down 25% again. If this is all correct please let me know. I am very scared and anxious just discussing this. If during those 4 days I do experience withdrawal what might some of those symptoms be and do I take a sliver of SUB to stop the withdrawal effects? Please help me I am so type A I need direction and a plan to feel safe and keep my anxiety at bay and to know that I am doing this correctly. Thank you all in advance for all your knowledge, wisdom and courage. Blessings . FYI I see my SUB dr. Tuesday at noon and will be informing him that I have started the taper.

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    You got started on quite a bit of sub. Yes, you can go ahead and drop to the 12mg. You should not even feel this drop as subs have a long half life, around 72 hours, plus you have quite a bit of sub built up in your system. No, you should not even need to take a sliver of sub. Keep your sub doses spaced around 8 hours or so apart, whatever is comfortable for you. Many people don't even have any symptoms until the lower doses and many don't experience any then or if they do, mild symptoms. So, put your anxiety aside, you can do this as you haven't been on the sub that long. Just remain positive and active. You are exactly on to the right idea, the only thing is that your sub doctor may or may not agree with what you are doing as far as tapering. However, I would argue that many, many, people have gotten off of opiates using this method. Read Alexnt's sub taper or look up Sharksfan.

    Many believe that it takes at least six months before they begin to taper or they do a taper over six months and what the docs wind up with are people addicted to suboxone! And that's not necessary. The sooner you are off the subs the better, which works out around 8-12 weeks tops. You are going to be just fine. Keep posting and others here will help you as well!

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    Thank you so much. I will do the same tonight then and take the 3/4 of the 8mg strip for 3 more days morning and night. Then how much do I cut and how much do I take for the next 4 days? Do I cut that 3/4 of a strip into 4 and take 3/4 of that again for 4 days making it the 25% less each time? Thank you so much :-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by amydogs View Post
    Thank you so much. I will do the same tonight then and take the 3/4 of the 8mg strip for 3 more days morning and night. Then how much do I cut and how much do I take for the next 4 days? Do I cut that 3/4 of a strip into 4 and take 3/4 of that again for 4 days making it the 25% less each time? Thank you so much :-)
    The Robert_325 taper plan everyone talks about us here: https://www.drugs.com/forum/featured...tml#post220161

    Also, look on you tube for video on how to cut rx film or suboxone. It's not that hard if you have a razor and tweezers.

    The basic idea is seek induction dose, take same dose at same time for four days, if no problems reduce dose 25% and continue for four days, repeat until you are at a very low dose (less than .125mg), then skip one day, dose, skip two days, dose, skip three days, dose, skip four days and the half life has caught up with itself, your done.

    I induced at 2mg once a day and have been tapering for 28 days. Currently at .46mg once a day. Should be down to zero in two or three more weeks. I have had near zero withdrawal while tapering. Near zero = a couple minor headaches that lasted about an hour. May or may not have been related.

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    Thank you Lincoln I am so happy everyone is really fast to help. Thank you again.

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    Amy,
    My doctor prescribed me 8mg film twice a day. When I asked how long it took to taper he replied " it will take 18 months to get you stable". I am SO lucky I researched suboxone and found this site and these people before I started suboxone. I want to be drug free as quickly and painlessly as possible, period. I induced at 2mg and taper program is working for me.

    Good luck,

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    How are you feeling at the 12mg. Your next drop would be to 9 mg. which would be 4.5mg twice a day. So that's half of an 8mg. strip.=4mg. then cut the rest into 4 pieces which will give you 4=1mg. pieces and cut the 1mg. piece in half and that will give you your 4.5mg.

    You can google cutting suboxone strips and get a good idea of how to do it. Also a guy named Harry Smooth created a video to show how to cut it, Linc gave you good advice with the tweezers and a razor or you can use sharp cutical scissors.

    You are going to go good at this Amy!!

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    You really shouldn't have any symptoms at these doses, like Rose said you are on a pretty high dose. You might actually feel better as you drop your dose. Just make sure you are completely stable before you drop, the 4 days isn't set in stone. Listen to your body, try not to increase your dose though. If you are uncomfortable try to distract yourself. Whatever you are feeling will likely pass.

    You sound like you really want this and that's really helpful. This is just as mental as it is physical, if you have your mind right it helps tremendously.
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    Tonight I have severe vertigo, staying in bed. My husband helps me when I need to use the restroom so I don't walk into walls. I took my 3/4 of a strip at 730pm and the vertigo started at 930ish ??? I have a professional hair cutting scissors so I'm just using that to cut the strips. okay so I went from 16mg - 12mg (present) then to 9mg in 3 days. So then 9 mg for 4 days after the 9mg i go down to ??? Mg

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    Yes I'm on a mission. Ty
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    Quote Originally Posted by amydogs View Post
    Tonight I have severe vertigo, staying in bed. My husband helps me when I need to use the restroom so I don't walk into walls. I took my 3/4 of a strip at 730pm and the vertigo started at 930ish ??? I have a professional hair cutting scissors so I'm just using that to cut the strips. okay so I went from 16mg - 12mg (present) then to 9mg in 3 days. So then 9 mg for 4 days after the 9mg i go down to ??? Mg
    Hi Amy my name is Alex and welcome to the forums. From 9 mg you would drop to 6.75 but don't worry about that for now. Just stay focused on your current dose for now and deal with further drops when they get here. Like Sharks said the 4 days is not set in stone so if after 4 days at a dose if you don't feel stable its ok to wait an extra day or two if necessary. My best wishes to you on your journey and I will talk to you later.

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    I will look up the websites you all have suggested but for trust reasons I would rather have you guys tell me the next dose and how to cut it. I have never reached out before for help with anything ever and I'm quite anxious. I seem to have immediately trusted you all with my well being O:-) if none of you mind is it okay if I stick with answers from you all? I'm not to worried about the vertigo tonight it may not even be related, my sinuses are bothering me and the weather is terrible here warm then cold warm then freezing rain, yuck. I'll see how the vertigo is in the morning. I took a meclizine and am going to drink some ginger tea. Blessing always

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    Again I can't thank everyone enough your all fast to respond and very encouraging, thank you all have sweet dreams and I will let you all know how I am feeling tom. Blessings

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    Amy ask all the questions you want. Most people new to subs are like that so its all good. I noticed you see your Dr Tuesday and plan on telling him your tapering and that might not be a good idea at this point. Some Doctors believe in keeping patients on subs for a long time and truthfully most Sub Drs are clueless about subs. They take an 8 hr online quiz to get there license to prescribe subs and some will get mad if you tell them your tapering. I never told mine and I did a 4 month taper without her knowing. I was prescribed 16 mg a day so after 6 weeks I had enough subs to finish my taper and just wrote them a letter and informed them I wouldn't be back. Just a thought for you to consider.

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    Quote Originally Posted by alexnt View Post
    Amy ask all the questions you want. Most people new to subs are like that so its all good. I noticed you see your Dr Tuesday and plan on telling him your tapering and that might not be a good idea at this point. Some Doctors believe in keeping patients on subs for a long time and truthfully most Sub Drs are clueless about subs. They take an 8 hr online quiz to get there license to prescribe subs and some will get mad if you tell them your tapering. I never told mine and I did a 4 month taper without her knowing. I was prescribed 16 mg a day so after 6 weeks I had enough subs to finish my taper and just wrote them a letter and informed them I wouldn't be back. Just a thought for you to consider.

    Alex
    I agree with Alex, when I went back to my dr. After the first week he asked me how it was going. I told him great. He wrote another script for 30 8mg strips with a refill. According to his plan a 30 day supply. I will never had the need to refill anything.

    I'm not mad at the dr. Nor do I resent him. He is doing what the manufacturer recommends. IMO the more they sell the more $$$ they make. I know that a strong accusation but, I can't think of any other reason I would be so over prescribed.

    I'm still new around here. Followed advice from Alex, Rose, Sharks and the others and can say this taper plan works.

    You can do this too,

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    Ken has good solid suggestions too.

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    Okay so update from last night my vertigo is gone, we'll see if it returns tonight. Even if it does I can handle it. B-) Okay the part about telling my dr. Is I didn't have enough till I saw him for the second time he wrote it for 2 days short. Anyways when I left him a message I said that I needed 2 days worth till I saw him Tues -tom and that I wanted to discuss tapering off. So he sort of already knows. I see him tom at 12:00 noon. I don't think he would be apposed to me coming off them I just would be scared he would want me too do it faster that I'm ready for. What do I do now that he knows I want off of these? Should I tell him i want to wait a few weeks (how many strips will I needneed to finish 5he taper doing the 25%) or tell him I'm already tapering?

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    By the way has anyone tried the Withdrawal ease that it shows on the bottom of every page? I ordered it and have been taking it everyday. It just all the vitamin and minerals amino acids and things your body needs while going through anything stressful. I can't tell if they work or not but additional vitamins and the like won't harm the body. I was just wondering if anyone else had ordered and are taking them.

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    You can say something or nothing to your doctor; just tell him you are worried about long term use or something. I doubt he's going to try to take you down fast, if anything they tend to keep you on longer, so don't worry. I never took the withdrawal ease, as it wasn't around. So I can't answer for that. Don't worry about your appt. tomorrow. Someone will always be here to answer any questions you have. You're going to do fine.

    Peace,

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    Tonight no vertigo so that's awesome :-D I will see my Dr. tomorrow and let you all know how it goes. QUESTION, I put it in caps because to me its a huge question. Those of you who have pain whether from car accidents, surgeries, arthritis whatever it may be, how are you managing your pain? I know it will take a little time for my natural pain sensors to remember their job and kick in but what are you doing to manage the pain? Taking Aleve, Advil, yoga, physical therapy, meditation? I have found already that 2 Advil worked pretty good the other day when I had over done it bathing and brushing the dogs. Yet I am on Suboxone so I'm curious how I'm going to feel pain wise once its all out of my system. I've been told I will feel so much better and I want so much to just relax and believe that but I'm scared. I've missed so much of my life, my childrens and my husbands lives I don't want to miss another second. I don't know how much I want an answer as much as I'm just saying it out loud, I'm scared, not knowing what to expect scares me. Thanks everyone have a good night, blessing always A

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    Amy wondering how you are doing and how your visit went with your Doctor today. Your last post here you asked about how people dealt with pain issues after done with subs. Someone else can answer that better then me because my opiate use was strictly done just to get high. I did like that it made pain go away but truthfully i wasn't one that was prescribed pain pills and let it get out of control. For me it was recreational at first but as time went by it just got worse and worse. As for the withdraw ease i never took it myself so i cant say if it helps much but if its full of vitamins and minerals it cant hurt but just might be more expensive then a few things they suggest one takes while tapering. Another thing that is helpful is to try to get as much exercise as possible while you are tapering. Will talk to you later.

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    Hi thank you so much for checking on me. My apt with the doctor went well he's pretty laid back. I told him about the 25% every 4 days and he said he would prefer I do it ever 7days and do it his way which is go down by half of the dosage every 7 days till gone. I am going to do it the way you guys suggest. He wrote enough for doing it 7 days instead of 4 so I will have enough. Now for my fun symptoms that appeared last night.(by the way night before no symptoms) I know you all said I shouldn't feel much at 12mg if anything at all but this is what's going on. Today is my 4th day at 12mg, last night it started with vertigo and then with aches and pains in my hips and legs and then I was waking up every 2 hours or so to go to the restroom (#1)(TMI alert) to only sit there and nothing not even a dribble. This morning all symptoms are gone except I'm exhausted. So I seem to only get symptoms at night. So I am going to continue going down to the 9mg starting tomorrow unless you all strongly disagree. I am not worried at this point. However I am concerned for the lower doses as I've read that's where most peoples discomfort starts. My doctor said I will be uncomfortable but nothing like I went through in withdrawal before I could start the Suboxone. I'm all ears on any suggestions and would like to know what you all did to make your tapering as painless as possible especially the lower numbers. Thank you all for listening and your support, blessing Amy
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    I'm confused he wrote for 21 packets of the 8mg/2mg Suboxone. I just picked it up and these are his instructions: take 1&1/2 films everyday for 1 week, 1 film daily for 1 week,
    1/2 film daily for 1 week. Done. Isnt that way to fast at the end shouldn't I take that 1/2 srtip and cut it in half then the half in half then be done? Also I've been taking my doses split up so half in the morning and half at night. I go to 9mg in the am. Someone up in the above comments told me how to get 4.5 in the am and 4.5 in the pm. I'm sticking too the 25% every 4 days not the 7 as he prescribed. Will need help how to get it to 6.75 cut properly so I can take it divided into am and pm. At some point I'd like to just take it 1x daily. When and how to do that also would be awesome. I'm sorry I'm relying to heavenly on you all I just have never gone through this before and I have no idea what I'm doing at all. Thank you so much Amy

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    Tonight so far no vertigo or pain, keeping my fingers crossed I sleep tonight.

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    Hi there. Wanted to drop by and answer some of your questions.

    First off, congrats on wanting to get clean! It's a huge change and takes commitment and patience. Your doc sounds just like mine. Total quack. He also told me many times that taking anything less than 4 mg is useless and I might a well go cold turkey! What a joke. As many people here can attest to, tapering down to the lowest dose possible is the only way to become sub free without severe discomfort. These docs don't know anything.

    You'll be just fine if you follow the taper plan and only drop when stable. If you feel you need an extra day or two, by all means, take it. Symptoms are manageable. My doc prescribed clonidine to help with chills/sweats. I rarely take it but lots of people swear by it. It's a blood pressure med.

    As for cutting strips, there's a video on YouTube. Just search "cutting Suboxone strips".

    Read Ken's thread. He just jumped off subs and is doing well. You can read about how he handled the lower doses.

    You can do this. I wish you the best!
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    Amy what Kath said about your Dr being a quack sounds true to me. The problem with most sub Drs is they are clueless about how to prescribe subs. As I pointed out to you they only have to take I think a total of 8 hrs online to be able to prescribe subs. If you follow his instructions with 50% drops and then stopping at 4mg I think you are going to be miserable. First the drops are to big of drops and second jumping off at 4 mg is way to high of a dose to jump at. Kath said if you need an extra day or two at a dose then take it which is good sound advise but in your case it could be a problem because you have a total of 168 mg to take and I did this real fast in my head but I think if you can drop every 4 days down to .25 you need around 150 mg. So you do have enough to make it if you can reduce every 4 days. One of the keys to doing a good taper with minimal discomfort is making sure your stable before you make a drop. If your not stable at a dose and go ahead and drop it can mess the whole taper up. Im not trying to scare you or add stress to your taper but just pointing this out to you. You might want to consider calling your Dr back say after 1 week and a couple of days and telling him that your not feeling well when he would think you had gone from 12 mg to 8 mg and maybe he will work with you on doing a slower taper. With the long half life of subs if you followed his instructions the last day you dosed at 4 mg you would have around 10 mg of subs in your system. This is based on a 36 hr half life which is close to what they say is the norm. Anyway they say 1 mg of subs is equal to about 30 mg of morphine so you would have the equivalent of around 300 mg of morphine in you. With the half life it would be like a Dr having a patient do this who is prescribed 300 mg a day of morphine. day 1 take 190 mg of morphine day 2 120 mg day 3 90 mg day 4 55 mg day 6 35 mg day 7 22 mg day 8 14 mg. So dont you think that patient would be feeling bad WD. Maybe you will be able to do drops every 4 days all the way down to .25 but I just wanted you aware of facts. Will talk with you later.

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    Amy,

    I've had friends do exactly what your dr prescribed and have never seen it work. That's the reason I researched and found this site, Alex, Kath, Ken and others...

    Roberts taper plan works. You have more than enough medicine to follow the protocol. Think of it like landing a plane. Slow and easy.......

    I listened to these guys and have had a successful taper. Currently on day three of .33mg and Only have a week or two of being 100% tapered without anything remarkable to report other than it's worked as sold.

    Good luck,

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    Congrats you are doing very well on the taper. Knowing you all have done the same taper and its been successful gives me comfort. I'm going to fill you guys in in just a little while.

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    Amy: I agree with the above and what Alex said is true: you cannot jump from 4mg. of sub, that isn't even REAL, you might as well as have gone c/t from what you were on. Follow the taper, Follow the taper. Check out the video that Kat recommended on cutting sub and if you can't find that, go to google and google "cutting suboxone strips". Another thing, you said you were taking your dose at 9 am. What time are you taking it in the evening? You can push the dosing farther apart than 8 hours so your dosing is more even and may carry you better overnight. I hope your day went well.

    Peace,

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    Hi all thank you for responding. I knew the second I saw the bottle and how he prescribed the taper he was nutts. Thank goodness I never have to see him again being I'm not an addict I just went to him because my dr said only certain dr.s can write for it. I wanted to stop my pain meds they were not getting ride of my pain so my dr said the easiest way is to take Suboxone. So I don't really know the dr that prescribed the Suboxone. I saw him the 1st visit then again the other day both visits lasted maybe 15 minutes ea. and my husband and I had to ask all the questions he was not going to explain anything just write the prescription. Its crazy to me how he's allowed to write for Suboxone when his way will put people in pain and discomfort. Thank God for websites like this where you can get real answers from people who have actually taken the medication and know what their talking about. I had a normal day yesterday and night last night.This morning I woke up with my back pain which I'll have forever and pain in my hips. The hip pain is probably a little withdrawal but not enough to stop me for starting the 9mg this morning (4.5 am & 4.5 pm) I took 3 Advil and have had a pretty good day so I'm staying the course I'll take my other 4.5 tonight. Like you guys have all said if I need to stay an extra day or two at a certain dose I can, so I'm not going to stress myself about it. The Suboxone dr said if I want to take it slower to let him know if I needed more. He should know better in the first place. I'm staying the 25% every 4 days. I don't take my doses at exactly 8 hours its usually more. I don't feel any difference taking it so I guess the time doesn't bother me. If you all could do this at the 25% and most of you have been through much more than me than I feel empowered that I can too. I went to YouTube like you suggested and there were a ton, which one do i trust to follow? Was there a specific one you all liked the best? I have 3 more days at 9mg then Alex said I go to 6.75. I will go to Google and YouTube again and see what it says on cutting to get the right dosage. I still prefer to get the instructions from you all but I understand that can get annoying for you. I may beg and plead however if I don't feel trusting of what I find LOL. I'm off to search YouTube right now. Everyone have an amazing evening, your all in my prayers, blessings Amy
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